Durin?

Constantine · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:24 pm

I know what I'll say is of topic but anyway... Elves never die in Tolkien's world. Even if they are killed or die of grief. Instead they have to wait on the Halls of a Vala ( I think Maedros', don't remember for sure though) until the end of time. The Valar didn't resurrect Glorfindel, they just let him exit the Halls and return to Middle- Earth. Although I feel that it was Tolkien's way of correcting a mistake.
Some people have written in their comments that Durin can't ally with certain heroes due to time inconsistencies. This isn't stated by the rules, so I assume you mean thematically he can't ally.

Draugluin · **Posted:** Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:21 am

True, but elves aren't allowed to return to Middle-Earth once they die, except for Glorfindel.

And yes, thematically, he can't ally with say Denethor.

ElfGeneral · **Joined:** Fri May 11, 2012 6:04 pm **Posts:** 336

yeah he can't ally thematically with anyone from the third age except elves as they also lived in the second age, but this is not to say you can't ally him with anyone in the third age and no one really cares it's just personal choice

On the elf thing he was sort of reserected but as you say he wasn't really fully dead as far as I understand it elves never die they just go to the Undying Land where as men doe and go to the Halls of something beginning with M (I forget) and it is thought that mens gift is better in the lonf run as they will feel true freedom and the elves will basically just get bored living after millennia that is why Aragorn 'gives up his life' so his son can take over.

As for Durin's cost that was mentioned earlier you pay top price for a top class hero and also unlike most other expensive units like a Mumak, Dragon or say Elrond he doesn't have a learning curve just put him where the fighting is thickest and watch him not die

mastermanje · **Posted:** Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:04 pm

couldn't you use all kinds of Durins, like the 1st, second, etc. , as well as the new one, the child of Daín I think.

SidTheSloth · **Posted:** Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:27 pm

Durin could well have still been alive in the third age had he not been killed.
After all, dwarfs weren't immortal but they did have massive lifespans

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:58 pm

Dwarves live for hundreds of years, but not thousands.

mastermanje · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:55 am

yes, but as far as I know the son of Daín is called the last Durin or something like that, wich means Durin can be used as a 3th age dwarf

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:24 pm

The son of Dain is called Thorin II, I think. (3th?)

mastermanje · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:02 pm

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

The son of Dain is called Thorin II, I think. (3th?)

Indeed, Thorin II Ironfoot, Last of Durin's Line i think

Draugluin · **Posted:** Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:17 pm

Actually the 3rd, Thorin was the 2nd.

mastermanje · **Posted:** Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:30 pm

Draugluin wrote:

Actually the 3rd, Thorin was the 2nd.

oh, forgot that

Rozinante · **Joined:** Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:16 pm **Posts:** 215

Never played Durin, because I get Balin for almost half the points. Plus axe. Too good a deal to pass up competatively, but Durin would be fun.

mastermanje · **Posted:** Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:37 pm

Did some research today, and found ou that the son of Dain is called Thorin III Stonehelm. After him, it's not sure if it's his son, grandson, or even someone after his grandson, but what's sure is that this certain Dwarf is called Durin VII, and that he captures Moria again. So, that means you could use him together with most heroes that survived the 3th Age.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:14 pm

The third Thorin was he.

You could used Durin in a 4th Age battle if you want, but wouldn't that Durin be a bit weaker than the one from the 3rd Age?

mastermanje · **Posted:** Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:47 am

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

The third Thorin was he.

You could used Durin in a 4th Age battle if you want, but wouldn't that Durin be a bit weaker than the one from the 3rd Age?

He was called Durin again because of his unusual strength

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:14 pm

Unusual strength, not the resilience of a Dragon's hide, like the old Durin.

mastermanje · **Posted:** Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:14 pm

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

Unusual strength, not the resilience of a Dragon's hide, like the old Durin.

Indeed

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