The best Ringwraith?

MeatBoy1994 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:50 pm

In terms of everything together; fight skill, magic, special rules..
I've heard Khamul is the best, or the Undying coz he's, well, undying. Thoughts?

Draugluin · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:34 pm

Khamul is the best in WotR, though he's pretty good if you put him on a FB. I played with him on FB a few days ago and he killed Elrohir in the first turn. Unfortunately, his brother had priority, charged, won and slew my steed in the next turn.

Valamir · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:36 pm

Khamul is the best in WotR, hands down. But, in SBG I would put my money on the Witch-king, simply because, while not necissarily the most tactical, he can wreak havoc on anything and everything put in front of him, given enough time.

Mighty.Uruk!!! · **Joined:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:58 pm **Posts:** 236

not sure about in sbg, but the others are right, in WOTR khamul is really powerful, with that amazinly powerful special rule to keep his lot alive

MeatBoy1994 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:49 pm

Mighty.Uruk!!! wrote:

not sure about in sbg, but the others are right, in WOTR khamul is really powerful, with that amazinly powerful special rule to keep his lot alive

Huh. I thought so!

Draugluin · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:56 pm

But this is the SBG section of the site, so Khamul isn't the best Nazgul.

Legolas31 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:16 pm

knight of umbar!

can match anything put infront of him in a fight, decent defence, decent m/w/f, rule to stop him loosing will when in a fight, decent at spell casting- has my vote for sure!

Valamir · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:19 pm

I find that the Knight of Umbar does make for keeping the heroes away, but he can't stand up to a mob of warriors.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:30 pm

In LoME it saw the Shadow Lord, now it is the Undying with Bugget Wraith support.

Valamir · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:34 pm

I recognize the use of the Shadow Lord, and the Undying has his perks, but how is he now the best? Not having the Mordor supplement I'm rather lacking on the informational side.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:44 pm

His survival skills when coupled with Budget Wraiths means he can kill and otherwise distract plenty of heores. Since in the new rules, you need to take a hero for every 12 Warriors, why not have Warband 2, 3 and 4 etc as being led by a Budget Wraith to power up the Undying. He's not the best on his own, but with Budget Wraiths he is the supreme master of the wraith-world.

Valamir · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:49 pm

Gotcha. Now I understand the terminology. Yes, such a situation makes the Undying a greater pain to kill, indeed.

Highlordell · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:55 pm

Knight of Umbar is good against elite armies and heroes, although in a horde you will be reduced to hero hunting.
I don't think Khamul is the best in SBG, I know a lot people use the Dark Marshall as hisBbanner ability means he can perform multiple roles at once.
Shadow Lord and The Betrayer are both very situational, and suit only Harad, and Low Defence/Shooty armies respectively.

Pindergorn · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:09 am

GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:

His survival skills when coupled with Budget Wraiths means he can kill and otherwise distract plenty of heores. Since in the new rules, you need to take a hero for every 12 Warriors, why not have Warband 2, 3 and 4 etc as being led by a Budget Wraith to power up the Undying. He's not the best on his own, but with Budget Wraiths he is the supreme master of the wraith-world.

I use him with a pair of Barrow Wights in my Angmar force. They're cheaper than budget Ringwraiths and have the paralyse spell.

Valamir · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:37 pm

Nice idea, King Ondoher. They are generally cheaper, he can sap will, they can paralyse. It is all very nice.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:41 pm

Budget Wraiths have more Will to give the Undying but Barrow-wights don't die if thet run out. The Undyinmg is for casting Black Dart though. However, Ondoher I thank you as you have just helped me to decide how to complete my 'SBG-all-stuff-I-like-army'.

Valamir · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:34 pm

Actually, going with one-and-one could perhaps work best- have a Barrow Wight, the Undying, and a 'regular' wraith with no upgrades- almost the best of both worlds, no?

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:36 pm

In my 1,500pt SBG list (that i am still witing, I have the models though), I have the Undying, " Budget Wraiths and 3 Barrowights. I may also have a Goblin Shamn too.

Valamir · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:39 pm

Ah, very, very nice. What is the theme of the list?

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:43 pm

I meant to say 2 of the Budget Wraiths by the way.

It is meant to be a sort of Angmar, Northern Misty Mountains Raiding force in which Sauron has sent some of the Ringwraiths North to search for the Ring and they are joined by Orcs, Goblins and Wargs, the Barrow-wights were summoned by the Wraiths (the Undying is pretending to be the W-K) as they 'know the area'.

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