Somthing that came up in a game. . .

The newbie · **Joined:** Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:05 pm **Posts:** 143

well I was playing in my local GW and I used the banner re-roll for the bannermans fight, but the manager said that bannermen couldn't benefit from a banner. Then we started arguing about wether he does or not, I said he should because he is within a 3" range of the banner...anyway I'd like to know, who was right me or him?

Also my dwarves faced up against Black Neumanoreans and they were swatted away easily, I killed all 5 of them they only killed 3 of my Khazad

Gondolin · **Posted:** Fri May 23, 2008 11:11 am

Noting is said that the Banner bearer doesn't count. But it is said: All models withing 3"/8cm of one or more friendly banner bearers are in range of a banner.
So you can conclude from that sentence that the banner bearer doesn't count. But when you look at the Royal Standard of Rohan in Gamling's profile it says extra that it doesn't count for Gamling himself. When the banner bearer wouldn't count being in the range of a banner, then why is it said here again?

Normally we play that the banner bearer does count being in range of a banner and I think that is the way GW ment it to be ;-)

Amarthadan · **Posted:** Fri May 23, 2008 3:17 pm

Gondolin wrote:

Noting is said that the Banner bearer doesn't count. But it is said: All models withing 3"/8cm of one or more friendly banner bearers are in range of a banner.
So you can conclude from that sentence that the banner bearer doesn't count. But when you look at the Royal Standard of Rohan in Gamling's profile it says extra that it doesn't count for Gamling himself. When the banner bearer wouldn't count being in the range of a banner, then why is it said here again?

Normally we play that the banner bearer does count being in range of a banner and I think that is the way GW ment it to be ;-)

I always thought the bearer did benefit from the banner, but what you ay makes sense.

Rueben

pwner jaleno · **Joined:** Fri May 23, 2008 4:52 pm **Posts:** 46

my friends and I always play with the banner bearer counting because after all he is the one encouraging the troops

Joansean · **Joined:** Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:23 pm **Posts:** 760

The newbie wrote:

Also my dwarves faced up against Black Neumanoreans and they were swatted away easily, I killed all 5 of them they only killed 3 of my Khazad

That is interesting .. was the Game played using the profiles from the new Mordor supplement ? and all 5 were beaten with your 3 Khazad Guards?

Very Interesting.

On topic , I think that he would benefit from it. I've read the entire banner section twice and It said nothing that he isn't able to benefit from it.

eBob · **Posted:** Fri May 23, 2008 8:19 pm

I'm not so sure. I've never given it much thought as I rarely use a banner - but the banner bearer is a model - and he must be within 3" of a banner bearer model - not 3" of a banner (ie his own).
I'd conclude therefore that your banner bearer model is not within 3" of a banner bearer.

The newbie · **Joined:** Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:05 pm **Posts:** 143

Yes it was with the new profiles and I outnumbered them in some fights 2-1 but mostly the fights ended up 1-1

tirno.alyanorno · **Posted:** Sun May 25, 2008 9:24 am

I dont use banners much either (I'm predominantly an elf player and would rather have four elves) but when i do add them in i play that the banner bearer benefits - after all, he is within 3" of a banner, and nothing is written like the Gamling rule to say it can't

eBob · **Posted:** Sun May 25, 2008 9:58 am

He's not Gamling, however the Gamling rule is speaking of bestowing Might points - and as Gamling is a hero and can't benefit from his own banner, he illustrates how a banner bearer does not benefit from the banner he is holding.

There must be a FAQ that clarifies this someplace.

hithero · **Posted:** Sun May 25, 2008 1:09 pm

A banner bearer is in range of a banner so the bearer gets the banner bonus, after all banners were often given to chosen men or veterans to keep it safe so I'm sure a bannerman would fight harder not to lose it. Its how I've always played and have yet to find anybody who does not.

eBob · **Posted:** Sun May 25, 2008 1:15 pm

well, fair enough - only that the rule says a model is defined as needing to be within 3" of a friendly banner bearer - so I determin that mean 'an other' model as per your definition of the effects of Shades.

First sentence of Banner rule..
All models within 3" of one or more friendly banner bearers are in range of a banner.

In this context 'friendly' can only mean 'other'.

tirno.alyanorno · **Posted:** Mon May 26, 2008 12:57 pm

Ebob wrote:

well, fair enough - only that the rule says a model is defined as needing to be within 3" of a friendly banner bearer - so I determin that mean 'an other' model as per your definition of the effects of Shades.

First sentence of Banner rule..
All models within 3" of one or more friendly banner bearers are in range of a banner.

In this context 'friendly' can only mean 'other'.

A model can only be friendly to itself though..

Joansean · **Joined:** Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:23 pm **Posts:** 760

tirno.alyanorno wrote:

Ebob wrote:

well, fair enough - only that the rule says a model is defined as needing to be within 3" of a friendly banner bearer - so I determin that mean 'an other' model as per your definition of the effects of Shades.

First sentence of Banner rule..
All models within 3" of one or more friendly banner bearers are in range of a banner.

In this context 'friendly' can only mean 'other'.

A model can only be friendly to itself though..

That about summarises it , I guess :lol:

joris267 · **Joined:** Sun May 25, 2008 6:07 pm **Posts:** 112

I thought the rule was that if a model from the fight was within banner range the whole fight would be within banner range, that means as since your opponent is within 3" the fight would be within range wich means you may rerol.

The newbie · **Joined:** Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:05 pm **Posts:** 143

I don't think the enemy has to be in range of the banner otherwise banners would be useless....how a bout the new drummer troll...18" banner!!!

eBob · **Posted:** Mon May 26, 2008 10:07 pm

What the buggery-bollox are you two blathering about?

The newbie · **Joined:** Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:05 pm **Posts:** 143

I think the guy before me thought that the entire fight had to be in range of the banner.

(how do you get gold coins????)

whafrog · **Posted:** Mon May 26, 2008 10:27 pm

Ebob wrote:

What the buggery-bollox are you two blathering about?

Good grief, take a chill pill. You've been rude in just about every thread.

eBob · **Posted:** Mon May 26, 2008 10:43 pm

I think you take me too literally. Buggery-bollox is phrase from 'Vicar of Dibly' - a comedy in UK - it means nonsense. It's not an insult.

whafrog · **Posted:** Mon May 26, 2008 10:45 pm

Ebob wrote:

I think you take me too literally. Buggery-bollox is phrase from 'Vicar of Dibly' - a comedy in UK - it means nonsense. It's not an insult.

Is blathering a compliment?

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