In addition to my WotR House Rules (link: viewtopic.php?f=88&t=22069), I've made some army lists for WotR, that I hope will make it more themed, and stop some broken combos being taken. I've also created new units to fill some armies. (see next post)

The rules follow the normal rules for army building, however the 25% allies rule is removed.
Instead, you may choose any army list under your chosen army's list of allies and include any Legendary Formations and/or Epic Heroes from this new army list. After you have chosen your Epic Hero(s) and/or Legendary Formation(s) you may choose any Common or Rare Formations.
- The degree of rarity applies to each army list individually, instead of across the whole army e.g. if you include Floi and 3 companies Dwarf Archer Kinband you couldn't then include Cirdan of the Havens and a High Elf Cohort without including a common formation from the Grey Havens army list
Some Epic Heroes/Legendary Formations are included in different army lists. Where this is the case, the Epic Hero/Legendary Formation may only be taken once per army.


Good:

The Fellowship:

Epic Heroes:
Gandalf the Grey
Gandalf the White
Boromir, Captain of the White Tower
Aragorn, Isildur’s Heir
Peregrin Took, Guard of the Citadel
Meriadoc, Esquire of Rohan
Legolas, Prince of Mirkwood
Gimli, Son of Glóin

Legendary Formations:
The Fellowship of the Ring
The Three Hunters

Allies:
The Grey Company, Rivendell, The Grey Havens, Lothlórien, Mirkwood, The Forest of Fangorn, Théoden’s Riders, the White Tower, the Fiefdoms of Gondor, Minas Tirith, the Rangers of Ithilien, the Dead of Dunharrow, Durin’s Folk, Erebor, the Wild Men of Drúadan, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards, the Eagles and the Guardians of the Carrock.


Arnor:

Epic Heroes:
Arvedui, King of Arnor
Malbeth the Seer
Commander of Arnor

Legendary Formations:
Royal Guard of Arnor

Common Formations:
Warriors of Arnor
Rangers of Arnor
Hobbit Archer Militia

Allies:
Rivendell, The Grey Havens, Minas Tirith and Khazad-dûm.


The Grey Company:

Epic Heroes:
Aragorn, Isildur’s Heir
Elladan
Elrohir

Legendary Formations:
The Grey Company
The Dúnedain of Arnor

Common Formations:
Rangers of Arnor

Allies:
The Fellowship, Rivendell, The Grey Havens, Lothlórien, Mirkwood, The Forest of Fangorn, Théoden’s Riders, the White Tower, the Fiefdoms of Gondor, Minas Tirith, the Rangers of Ithilien, the Dead of Dunharrow, Durin’s Folk, Erebor, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards, the Eagles and the Guardians of the Carrock.


The Shire:

Epic Heroes:
Aragorn, Isildur’s Heir
Gandalf the Grey
Peregrin Took, Guard of the Citadel
Meriadoc, Esquire of Rohan
Dúnedain Ranger

Legendary Formations:
Tom Bombadil

Common Formations:
Hobbit Militia
Hobbit Archer Militia

Allies:
The Shire may not ally.


Rivendell:

Epic Heroes:
Elrond, Master of Rivendell
Arwen Evenstar
Elladan
Elrohir
High Elf Marshall

Legendary Formations:
Rivendell Guard
Glorfindel, Lord of the West

Common Formations:
High Elf Regiment
High Elf Archer Regiment

Rare Formations:
High Elf Cohort

Allies:
The Fellowship, Arnor, the Grey Company, the Grey Havens, Lothlorien, Mirkwood, the Fiefdoms of Gondor, Minas Tirith, Durin’s Folk, Erebor, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards, the Eagles, the Guardians of the Carrock and the White Council.


The Grey Havens:

Epic Heroes:
Cirdan of the Havens
High Elf Marshall

Common Formations:
High Elf Regiment
High Elf Archer Regiment

Rare Formations:
High Elf Cohort
Guardians of the Havens

Allies:
The Fellowship, Arnor, the Grey Company, Rivendell, Eregion, Lothlórien, Mirkwood, The Forest of Fangorn, Minas Tirith, the Army of the High King, the Dead of Dunharrow, Durin’s Folk, Khazad-dûm, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards, the Eagles and the White Council.


Eregion:

Epic Heroes:
Elrond, Master of Rivendell
Gil-Galad, High King of the Elves
High Elf Marshall

Legendary Formations:
Rivendell Guard

Common Formations:
High Elf Regiment
High Elf Archer Regiment

Rare Formations:
High Elf Cohort
High Elf Knights

Allies:
The Grey Havens, Lothlórien, Mirkwood, The Forest of Fangorn, the Army of the High King and Durin’s Folk.


Lothlórien:

Epic Heroes:
Galadriel, Lady of Lothlórien
Galadriel, Protectress of Lothlórien
Celeborn, Lord of Lothlórien
Haldir, Guardian of Lórien
Elf Marshall

Legendary Formations:
Guardians of Calas Galadhon
Haldir’s Elves

Common Formations:
Galadhrim Regiment
Galadrim Archer Regiment
Wood Elf Warband

Rare Formations:
Galadhrim Knight Regiment
Guards of the Galadhrim Court

Allies:
The Fellowship, the Grey Company, Rivendell, The Grey Havens, Eregion, Mirkwood, The Forest of Fangorn, the Host of the Hammerhand, Théoden’s Riders, Minas Tirith, the Army of the High King, Durin’s Folk, Khazad-dûm, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards and the Eagles.


Mirkwood:

Epic Heroes:
Thranduil, King of Mirkwood
Legolas, Prince of Mirkwood
Elf Marshall

Common Formations:
Wood Elf Warband
Mirkwood Stalkers

Rare Formations:
Mirkwood Sentinels

Allies:
The Fellowship, The Grey Company, Rivendell, the Grey Havens, Eregion, Lothlórien, The Forest of Fangorn, the Riders of Eorl, the Rangers of Ithilien, the Army of the High King, Erebor, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards, the Eagles and the Guardians of the Carrock.


The Forest of Fangorn:

Legendary Formations:
Treebeard
Quickbeam
Beechbone

Common Formations:
Ent

Allies:
The Fellowship, the Grey Company, The Grey Havens, Eregion, Lothlórien, Mirkwood, the Host of the Hammerhand, Théoden’s Riders, Minas Tirith, the Army of the High King, Durin’s Folk, Khazad-dûm, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards and the Eagles.


The Riders of Eorl:

Epic Heroes:
Eorl the Young
Commander of Rohan

Legendary Formations:
Eorl’s Knights

Common Formations:
Riders of Rohan Éored
Royal Knights
Outrider Éored

Rare Formations:
The Sons of Eorl

Allies:
Thranduil’s Halls and Minas Tirith.


The Host of the Hammerhand:

Epic Heroes:
Helm Hammerhand
Commander of Rohan

Legendary Formations:
Helm’s Guard
Knights of Helm’s Deep

Common Formations:
Riders of Rohan Éored
Royal Knights
Oathsworn Militia
Oathsworn Bowmen
Outrider Éored
Rohan Royal Guard

Rare Formations:
The Sons of Eorl

Allies:
Lothlórien, Minas Tirith and Durin’s Folk.


Théoden’s Riders:

Epic Heroes:
Théoden, King of Rohan
Éomer, Marshall of the Riddermark
Éowyn, Shield-Maiden of Rohan
Erkenbrand, Captain of the Westfold
Théodred, Prince of Rohan
Meriadoc, Esquire of Rohan
Déorwine, Captain of the Royal Guard
Commander of Rohan

Legendary Formations:
The King’s Guard
Erkenbrand’s Riders
Théodred’s Knights
Grimbold’s Helmingas
Elfhelm’s Riders

Common Formations:
Riders of Rohan Éored
Royal Knights
Oathsworn Militia
Oathsworn Bowmen
Outrider Éored
Rohan Royal Guard

Rare Formations:
The Sons of Eorl

Allies:
The Fellowship, the Grey Company, Lothlórien, The Forest of Fangorn, the White Tower, the Fiefdoms of Gondor, the Rangers of Ithilien, the Dead of Dunharrow, Durin’s Folk, the Wild Men of Drúadan, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards and the Eagles.


The White Tower:

Epic Heroes:
Boromir, Captain of the White Tower
Aragorn, Isildur’s Heir
Faramir
Peregrin Took, Guard of the Citadel
Commander of Minas Tirith

Legendary Formations:
Denethor’s Guard
Warden’s of the Keys

Common Formations:
Minas Tirith Warriors
Minas Tirith Archers
Minas Tirith Knights
Citadel Guards

Rare Formations:
Guards of the Fountain Court
Avenger Bolt Thrower
Battlecry Trebuchet

Allies:
The Fellowship, the Grey Company, Théoden’s Riders, the Fiefdoms of Gondor, the Rangers of Ithilien, the Dead of Dunharrow, Durin’s Folk, Erebor, the Wild Men of Drúadan, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards and the Eagles.


Minas Tirith:

Epic Heroes:
King of Gondor
Steward of Gondor
Commander of Minas Tirith

Legendary Formations:
Guards of the King

Common Formations:
Minas Tirith Warriors
Minas Tirith Archers
Minas Tirith Knights
Rangers of Gondor
Citadel Guards

Rare Formations:
Guards of the Fountain Court
Battlecry Trebuchet

Allies:
The Fellowship, Arnor, Rivendell, the Grey Havens, Lothlórien, The Forest of Fangorn, the Riders of Eorl, the Host of the Hammerhand, Erebor, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards and the Eagles.


The Fiefdoms of Gondor:

Epic Heroes:
Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth
Forlong the Fat
Angbor the Fearless
Commander of Dol Amroth

Legendary Formations:
Blackroot Vale Archers

Common Formations:
Rangers of Gondor
Men-at-Arms of Dol Amroth
Foot Knights of Dol Amroth
Knights of Dol Amroth

Rare Formations:
Axemen of Lossarnach
Clansmen of Lamedon

Allies:
The Fellowship, the Grey Company, Théoden’s Riders, the White Tower, the Rangers of Ithilien, the Dead of Dunharrow, Durin’s Folk, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards and the Eagles


The Army of the High King:

Epic Heroes:
High King Elendil
Isildur
Commander of Númenor

Legendary Formations:
Knights of Númenor

Common Formations:
Númenórean Warriors
Númenórean Archers

Rare Formations:
Rangers of Númenor

Allies:
The Grey Havens, Eregion, Lothlórien, Mirkwood, The Forest of Fangorn and Durin’s Folk.


The Rangers of Ithilien:

Epic Heroes:
Faramir
Commander of Minas Tirith

Legendary Formations:
Rangers of Ithilien
Osgiliath Veterans

Common Formations:
Minas Tirith Warriors
Minas Tirith Archers
Rangers of Gondor
Citadel Guards

Allies:
The Fellowship, the Grey Company, Mirkwood, Théoden’s Riders, the White Tower, the Fiefdoms of Gondor, Erebor, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards and the Eagles.


The Dead of Dunharrow:

Epic Heroes:
Aragorn, Isildur’s Heir
Legolas, Prince of Mirkwood
Gimli, son of Glóin
Elladan
Elrohir
The King of the Dead

Legendary Formations:
The Grey Company
The Three Hunters
Court of the Dead King

Common Formations:
Warriors of the Dead

Rare Formations:
Riders of the Dead

Allies:
The Fellowship, the Grey Company, Théoden’s Riders, the White Tower, the Fiefdoms of Gondor, the Wanderers in the Wild and the Wizards

The Dead Walk Again:
Any Epic Hero from this army list may join formations of Warriors of the Dead and Riders of the Dead. Aragorn may also join the Court of the Dead King.


Durin’s Folk:

Epic Heroes:
Dwarf King
Dwarf Marshall
Múrin and Drár

Legendary Formations:
Múrin’s Guard
Drár’s Hunters

Common Formations:
Dwarf Warrior Kinband
Dwarf Archer Kinband
Dwarf Ranger Kinband

Rare Formations:
Khâzad Guard Kinband
Dwarf Ballista
Ered Luin Rangers
King’s Champion

Allies:
The Fellowship, the Grey Company, Rivendell, the Grey Havens, Eregion, Lothlórien, the Host of the Hammerhand, Théoden’s Riders, the White Tower, the Fiefdoms of Gondor, the Army of the High King, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards, the Eagles and the Guardians of Carrock.


Khâzad-Dum:

Epic Heroes:
Durin, King of Khâzad-Dum
Mardin, Protector of Durin
Dwarf Marshall
Flói Stonehand, Loremaster of Moria

Legendary Formations:
Durin’s Guard

Common Formations:
Dwarf Warrior Kinband
Dwarf Archer Kinband
Dwarf Ranger Kinband

Rare Formations:
Khâzad Guard Kinband
Iron Guard Kinband
Vault Warden Kinband
Dwarf Ballista
Iron Guard Ancients
King’s Champion

Allies:
Arnor, Rivendell, the Grey Havens, Lothlórien and The Forest of Fangorn.


Erebor:

Epic Heroes:
Dáin Ironfoot, King Under the Mountain
Balin, Lord of Moria
Gimli, Son of Glóin
Múrin’s Guard
Drár’s Hunters
Dwarf Marshall
Múrin and Drár

Legendary Formations:
Múrin’s Guard
Drár’s Hunters

Common Formations:
Dwarf Warrior Kinband
Dwarf Archer Kinband
Dwarf Ranger Kinband

Rare Formations:
Khâzad Guard Kinband
Iron Guard Kinband
Dwarf Ballista
Moria Expeditionaries
King’s Champion

Allies:
The Fellowship, Rivendell, Mirkwood, the White Tower, Minas Tirith, the Rangers of Ithilien, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards, the Eagles and the Guardians of the Carrock.


The Wild Men of Drúadan:

Legendary Formations:
Woses Warband

Allies:
The Fellowship, Théoden’s Riders, the White Tower and the Wizards.


The Wanderers in the Wild:

Epic Heroes:
Múrin and Drár

Legendary Formations:
Gildor’s Household
Glorfindel, Lord of the West

Allies:
The Fellowship, the Grey Company, Rivendell, the Grey Havens, Lothlórien, Mirkwood, The Forest of Fangorn, Théoden’s Riders, the White Tower, the Fiefdoms of Gondor, Minas Tirith, the Rangers of Ithilien, the Dead of Dunharrow, Durin’s Folk, Erebor, the Wizards and the Guardians of the Carrock.


The Wizards:

Epic Heroes:
Saruman the White
Gandalf the Grey
Gandalf the White (may not be taken alongside Saruman)
Radagast the Brown

Legendary Formations:
The Council of Wizardry

Allies:
The Fellowship, the Grey Company, Rivendell, the Grey Havens, Lothlórien, Mirkwood, The Forest of Fangorn, Théoden’s Riders, the White Tower, the Fiefdoms of Gondor, Minas Tirith, the Rangers of Ithilien, the Dead of Dunharrow, Durin’s Folk, Erebor, the Wild Men of Drúadan, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Eagles and the Guardians of the Carrock.


The Eagles:

Legendary Formations:
Gwaihir

Common Formations:
Great Eagle

Allies:
The Fellowship, the Grey Company, Rivendell, the Grey Havens, Lothlórien, Mirkwood, The Forest of Fangorn, Théoden’s Riders, the White Tower, Minas Tirith, the Rangers of Ithilien, the Fiefdoms of Gondor, Durin’s Folk, Erebor, the Wizards and the Guardians of the Carrock.


The Guardians of the Carrock:

Legendary Formations:
Wardens of the Carrock

Allies:
The Fellowship, the Grey Company, Rivendell, Mirkwood, Durin’s Folk, Erebor, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards and the Eagles.


The White Council:

Epic Heroes:
Elrond, Master of Rivendell
Galadriel, Protectress of Lothlórien
Gandalf the Grey
Saruman the White

Legendary Formations:
The White Council

Allies:
Rivendell, the Grey Havens, Lothlórien, Mirkwood, the Wanderers in the Wild, the Wizards and the Guardians of the Carrock.



Evil:

The Misty Mountains:

Epic Heroes:
Durbûrz, Goblin King of Moria
Drûzhag, the Beastcaller
Moria Goblin Driver
Gollum

Common Formations:
Moria Goblin Warband
Moria Prowler Warband
Cloud of Bats

Rare Formations:
Cave Troll
Gundabad Blackshields

Allies:
Angmar, Dunland, the Scouts of Isengard, the Shadow of Dol Guldur, Barad-dûr, Harad and Umbar, the Monsters in Middle Earth and the Nazgûl.


Angmar:

Epic Heroes:
The Witch-King of Angmar
Drûzhag, the Beastcaller
Great Warg

Legendary Formations:
Gûlavhar, the Terror of Arnor
Buhrdûr

Common Formations:
Warg Pack
Ghostly Legion
Ghostly Riders
Spectral Host
Carn Dûm Warband
Angmar Orc Warband

Rare Formations:
Court of Fallen Kings
Shade
Werewolf Pack
Cave Troll

Allies:
The Misty Mountains, the Dwellers Below, Dunland, Barad-dûr, Harad and Umbar, the Monsters in Middle Earth and the Nazgûl.
The Dwellers Below:

Epic Heroes:
Drûzhag, the Beastcaller
Moria Goblin Driver
Great Warg

Common Formations:
Moria Goblin Warband
Warg Pack
Giant Spider Brood
Cloud of Bats

Rare Formations:
Cave Troll
Gundabad Blackshields

Allies:
Angmar, Dunland, the Black Gate of Mordor, Minas Morgul, Barad-dûr, Rhûn and Khand, Horde of the Serpent Lord, Harad and Umbar, the Monsters in Middle Earth and the Nazgûl.


The Scouts of Isengard:

Epic Heroes:
Lurtz
Uruk-Hai Marshall

Legendary Formations:
Uglûk’s Raiders
Vrashkû’s Talons
Sharku’s Hunters
Mauhúr’s Marauders

Common Formations:
Uruk-Hai Scout Warband
Isengard Orc Warband (1 per Legendary Formation or Epic Hero)

Rare Formations:
Feral Uruk-Hai
Warg Rider Warband
Wild Men of Dunland

Allies:
The Misty Mountains, the Army of the White Wizard, Dunland, the Shadow of Dol Guldur, Minas Morgul, and the Nazgûl.

The Army of the White Wizard:

Epic Heroes:
Saruman the White Hand
Gríma Wormtongue
Uruk-Hai Marshall

Common Formations:
Uruk-Hai Phalanx
Uruk-Hai Warband
Uruk-Hai Scout Warband

Rare Formations:
Isengard Orc Warband
Uruk-Hai Sappers
Uruk-Hai Berserker Warband
Isengard Troll
Isengard Troll Captain
Isengard Battering Ram
Isengard Assault Ballista

Allies:
The Scouts of Isengard, Dunland and the Nazgûl.


Dunland:

Epic Heroes:
Thrydan Wolfsbane

Legendary Formations:
Royalblood Hurscals

Common Formations:
Dunlending Hurscals
Wild Men of Dunland
Warg Pack

Rare Formations:
Dunlending Horsemen
Isengard Orc Warband
Sharkey’s Ruffians (0-1)

Allies:
The Dwellers Below, Angmar, the Scouts of Isengard, the Army of the White Hand, and the Nazgul.


The Ravagers of the Shire:

Epic Heroes:
Sharkey

Common Formations:
Sharkey’s Ruffians
Isengard Orc Warband
Bree-men

Rare Formations:
Wild Men of Dunland
Warg Pack

Allies:
The Ravagers of the Shire may not ally.


Cirith Ungol:

Epic Heroes:
Orc Overlord
Gorbag and Shagrat

Legendary Formations:
Shagrat’s Tower Guard
Gorbag’s Morgul Rats
Shelob (may not be the army leader)

Common Formations:
Mordor Orc Warband
Orc Tracker Warband
Warg Rider Warband
Mordor Uruk-Hai Warband

Rare Formations:
Mordor Troll
Mordor Troll Drummer
Black Guard of Barad-dûr
War Catapult Battery
Siege Bow Battery

Allies:
The Black Gate of Mordor, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Rhun and Khand, Harad and Umbar, the Monsters in Middle Earth and the Nazgul.


The Black Gate of Mordor:

Epic Heroes:
The Mouth of Sauron
Orc Overlord

Legendary Formation:
Troll Chieftain of the Black Gate
Guards of the Black Gate

Common Formations:
Morannon Orc Warband
Orc Tracker Warband
Mordor Uruk-Hai Warband

Rare Formations:
Mordor Troll
Mordor Troll Drummer
Mordor Troll Chieftain
Black Guard of Barad-dûr

Allies:
The Dwellers Below, Cirith Ungol, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Rhun and Khand, Horde of the Serpent Lord, Harad and Umbar, the Monsters in Middle Earth and the Nazgul.



The Shadow of Dol Guldur:

Epic Heroes:
Khamûl the Easterling
0-2 Ringwraiths (they may be; the Undying and/or the Tainted)
Orc Overlord

Legendary Formations:
The Necromancer of Dol Guldur
Castellans of Dol Guldur

Common Formations:
Mordor Orc Warband
Warg Pack
Giant Spider Brood
Cloud of Bats

Rare Formations:
Mordor Troll
Mordor Troll Drummer
Black Guard of Barad-dûr
War Catapult Battery
Spider Queen
Spider Broodling Swarm
Werewolf Pack

Allies:
The Dwellers Below, the Scouts of Isengard, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Rhun and Khand, the Monsters in Middle Earth and the Nazgul.


Minas Morgul:

Epic Heroes:
Gothmog, Castellan of Minas Morgul
Kârdush the Firecaller
Orc Overlord

Legendary Formations:
Grishnákh’s Trackers
Winged Nazgûl – The Witch-King of Angmar

Common Formations:
Mordor Orc Warband
Orc Tracker Warband
Black Númenórean Regiment

Rare Formations:
Spectral Host
Morgul Stalker Warband
War Catapult Battery
Mordor Battering Ram
Morgul Knight Regiment

Allies:
The Dwellers Below, the Scouts of Isengard, Cirith Ungol, the Black Gate of Mordor, the Shadow of Dol Guldur, Barad-dur, Rhun and Khand, Horde of the Serpent Lord, Harad and Umbar, the Mahud of Far Harad, the Monsters in Middle Earth and the Nazgul.


Barad-Dûr:

Epic Heroes:
The Mouth of Sauron
Kârdush the Firecaller
Orc Overlord

Legendary Formations:
Sauron, the Dark Lord of Mordor

Common Formations:
Mordor Orc Warband
Morannon Orc Warband
Orc Tracker Warband
Warg Rider Warband

Rare Formations:
Black Guard of Barad-dûr
War Catapult Battery
Siege Bow Battery
Mordor Battering Ram

Allies:
The Misty Mountains, Angmar, the Dwellers Below, Cirith Ungol, the Black Gate of Mordor, the Shadow of Dol Guldur, Minas Morgul, Horde of the Serpent Lord, Rhun and Khand, Harad and Umbar, the Monsters in Middle Earth and the Nazgul.


Rhûn and Khand:

Epic Heroes:
Khamûl the Easterling
Amdûr, Lord of Blades

Legendary Formations:
The Dragon Guard
Khandish King

Common Formations:
Khandish Mercenary Warband
Khandish Mercenary Raiders
Easterling Cohort
Easterling Archer Cohort
Easterling Kataphrakt Cohort

Rare Formations:
Khandish Charioteer (may not have Khandish King upgrade)

Allies:
The Dwellers Below, Cirith Ungol, the Black Gate of Mordor, the Shadow of Dol Guldur, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Horde of the Serpent Lord, Harad and Umbar, the Monsters in Middle Earth and the Nazgul.


Horde of the Serpent Lord:

Epic Heroes:
Suludân, the Serpent Lord
Haradrim Overseer

Legendary Formation:
Abrakhân Guard
Spear’s of the Serpent

Common Formations:
Haradrim Warband
Haradrim Raider Warband
Serpent Guard Warband
Serpent Rider Warband

Rare Formations:
Watcher Warband
War Mûmak of Harad

Allies:
The Dwellers Below, the Black Gate of Mordor, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Rhun and Khand, Harad and Umbar, the Mahud of Far Harad, the Monsters in Middle Earth and the Nazgul.


Harad and Umbar:

Epic Heroes:
Haradrim King
Dalamyr, Fleetmaster of Umbar
Queen Berúthiel
Haradrim Overseer

Legendary Formations:
Abrakhân Guard

Common Formations:
Haradrim Warband
Haradrim Raider Warband
Corsair Raiding Party

Rare Formations:
Watcher Warband
War Mûmak of Harad
Corsair Arbalesters

Allies:
The Misty Mountains, Angmar, the Dwellers Below, Cirith Ungol, the Black Gate of Mordor, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Rhun and Khand, Horde of the Serpent Lord, the Mahud of Far Harad, the Monsters in Middle Earth and the Nazgul.


The Mahûd of Far Harad:

Epic Heroes:
The Mahûd King

Legendary Formations:
The Beastmaster’s Mûmak
Mahûd Guard

Common Formations:
Mahûd Warband
Mahûd Raider Warband

Rare Formations:
Half Troll Warband
War Mûmak of Harad
War Mûmak of Far Harad

Allies:
The Black Gate of Mordor, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Rhun and Khand, Horde of the Serpent Lord, Harad and Umbar, the Monsters in Middle Earth and the Nazgul.


The Monsters in Middle Earth:

Rare Formations:
The Balrog of Morgoth
Dragon of Ancient Times
Stone Giant
Cave Drake

Allies:
The Misty Mountains, Angmar, the Dwellers Below, Cirith Ungol, the Black Gate of Mordor, the Shadow of Dol Guldur, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Rhun and Khand, Horde of the Serpent Lord, Harad and Umbar, the Mahud of Far Harad and the Nazgul.

Creatures of Darkness:
Any formation chosen from this army list counts as a part of your original army list. E.g. if you take a Dragon of Ancient Times, and your main army list is the Mines of Moria, the Dragon counts a part of the Mines of Moria, and thus a common formation from the Mines of Moria must be taken for the Dragon to be used.


The Nazgul:

Epic Heroes:
The Ringwraiths

Legendary Formations:
Winged Nazgul
Twilight Ringwraiths
The Nine are Abroad

Allies:
The Misty Mountains, Angmar, the Dwellers Below, the Scouts of Isengard, the Army of the White Hand, Dunland, Cirith Ungol, the Black Gate of Mordor, the Shadow of Dol Guldur, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Rhun and Khand, Horde of the Serpent Lord, Harad and Umbar, the Mahud of Far Harad and the Monsters in Middle Earth.


This was a word document previously, I've just copy and pasted it from there. If you want the word document, just pm me and I'll send it to you

Some army lists may change.

Comments and criticisms welcome

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Here are the rules, taken from the word document (as it's impossible (I think) to get tables on here) as well as what army list they come from below for use in normal games of WotR

Good:





The Knights of Númenor have been named the Guards of the King by accident.



Arvedui, Last King of Arnor – Epic Hero – Gondor and Arnor
Malbeth the Seer – Epic Hero – Gondor and Arnor
Commander of Arnor – Epic Hero – Gondor and Arnor
Dúnedain Ranger – Epic Hero – The Forgotten Kingdoms
High Elf Marshall – Epic Hero – The Elven Kingdoms
Guardians of the Havens – Rare Formation – The Elven Kingdoms
High Elf Knights – Rare Formation – The Elven Kingdoms
Elf Marshall – Epic Hero – The Elven Kingdoms
Mirkwood Stalkers – Rare Formation – The Elven Kingdoms
Commander of Rohan – Epic Hero – The Kingdom of Rohan
Eorl’s Knights – Legendary Formation – The Kingdom of Rohan
Helm Hammerhand – Epic Hero – The Kingdom of Rohan
Helm’s Guard– Legendary Formation – The Kingdom of Rohan
Knights of Helms Deep – Legendary Formation – The Kingdom of Rohan
Commander of Minas Tirith – Epic Hero – Gondor and Arnor
King of Gondor – Epic Hero – Gondor and Arnor
Steward of Gondor – Epic Hero – Gondor and Arnor
Guards of the King – Legendary Formation – Gondor and Arnor
Angbor the Fearless – Epic Hero – Gondor and Arnor
Forlong the Fat – Epic Hero – Gondor and Arnor
Commander of Dol Amroth – Epic Hero – Gondor and Arnor
Knights of Númenor – Legendary Formation – Gondor and Arnor
Rangers of Númenor – Rare Formation – Gondor and Arnor
The King of the Dead – Epic Hero – Gondor and Arnor
Dwarf King – Epic Hero – The Dwarf Holds
Dwarf Marshall – Epic Hero – The Dwarf Holds
Múrin and Drár – Epic Hero – The Dwarf Holds
Durin, King of Khâzad-Dum – Epic Hero – The Dwarf Holds
Mardin, Protector of Durin – Epic Hero – The Dwarf Holds

Evil:







Moria Goblin Driver - Epic Hero - The Misty Mountains
Great Warg - Epic Hero - The Misty Mountains
Uruk-Hai Marshall - Epic Hero - Isengard
Royalblood Hurscals - Legendary Formation - Isengard
Sharkey - Epic Hero - Isengard
Bree-men - Rare Formation - Isengard
Orc Overlord - Epic Hero - Mordor
Gorbag and Shagrat - Epic Hero - Mordor
Troll Chieftain of the Black Gate - Legendary Formation - Mordor
Guards of the Black Gate - Legendary Formation - Mordor
The Dragon Guard - Legendary Formation - The Fallen Realms
Haradrim Overseer - Epic Hero - The Fallen Realms
Spears of the Serpent - Legendary Formation - The Fallen Realms
The Mahud King - Epic Hero - The Fallen Realms
The Beastmaster's Mumak - Legendary Formation - The Fallen Realms
Mahud Guard - Legendary Formation - The Fallen Realms
War Mumak of Far Harad - Rare Formation - the Fallen Realms


If you want the word document just pm me

Comments and criticisms welcome

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Sounds like a good idea, but I have three things that bother me: 1. I think you should just keep the 25% ally limit, and just limit where you can get them from. I understand this is the way its done in SBG, but that's one of the reasons why I don't like SBG (other 2: too slow and too few units)
2. I think the lists are too small. Be a bit less restricitive in what goes where. For instance, allow Wood Elves and Sentinels in the Lothlorien list, or you won't be able to make a proper, varied list without a LOT of allying.
3. I'd say all the Rohirrim lists can ally, all the Elf lists can ally etc.

Little mistake: I saw Theoden's Host can ally with Eorl's Riders (or what was the exact name), but Eorl can't ally with Theoden. Maybe there are some more things like this.

Otherwise, the idea is good, and (I hope) goes a long way to turning cheese into fluff.

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Thank you for your reply, I'll address each comment separately.



I personally don't like the 25% ally rule, as formations such as The White Council and the Nine are abroad can only be used as allies in games of at least 2000 Points. Also, the 25% allies rule allows formations and heroes from different time periods to be used alongside each other.



Wood Elves are in the Lotlorien list, and Sentinels aren't in there because they're called Mirkwood Sentinels, but they can easily be allied in anyway.



The Rohirrim lists can't ally together because Eorl was dead before Helm Hammerhand was born, and Helm Hammerhand was dead before Theoden was born, so shouldn't be able to be included in the same force. Mostly all armies from the same region can ally together, but armies like the Army of the High King and Eregion were around in the 2nd age, and so shouldn't be used in a 3rd age army, such as the Rangers of Ithilien or Lothlorien.



Theoden's Riders can't ally with the Riders of Eorl, but the Sons of Eorl is a Rare Formation that can be included in the army list, but thanks for pointing it out anyway.



Thank you

Chris

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Well, the White Council or all the Nine together wouldn't be present at the merest skirmish, so thats (IMO) a good thing, not a bad one. The different times are where your lists come in, they stop that, i didn't propose to do away with the limits on which allies to take, but just to skip the ÿou need a hero/legendary and a common formation to ally a rare formation in."



Sorry, I must have missed the Wood Elves, but the sentinels could just as well be used as Lorien Sentinels (like Haldir, Orophin and Rumil), and allying them in requires an Epic and a common, so that gets expensive quick.



You have a point. I should read posts better before commenting

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Awesome

Personally, I'd be more interested in the Evil side, but if you don't, I'll do it myself when i've finished my mountain of uni essays.

Anyway, what you've done with them looks very good, rich in detail and well though out (exept the Rohan bit already covered).

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That probably wasn't the best example I could have used, but if they are taken that just makes the rest of your army smaller. A better example would have been wanting to have Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli leading Warriors of Rohan and Minas Tirith in a 1500 Point game (representing those who go to attack the Black Gate) - you wouldn't get many Warriors of Rohan - or an Easterling and Orc army (attacking the Walls of Minas Tirith, like in the book) or including Gwaihir and a pair of Eagles in a game of 1000 Points.

Also, linking into my next point slightly, you wouldn't have a formation of Son's of Eorl (Rohan's elite units) fighting alongside the Elves of Lothlorien without there also being normal Riders of Rohan (the main soldiers in Rohan), so why would any other army be any different.



I see what you're trying to say, but surely that is the choice of the player; they can use the Mirkwood army list and ally in the units they want, or use a different army list and ally the units from Mirkwood. The Sentinels are Mirkwood's Elite, they wouldn't fight alongside Elves of Lothlorien without normal Wood Elves with them. The Elite wouldn't go without the normal soldiers.

It would cost 300-400 Points to include an Elf Marshall, 3-4 Companies of Wood Elves and 3-4 Companies of Sentinels, which seems expensive in smaller games (less than 850), but most people play at least 1000 Points. If you're going to play lower points then you're going to choose to use Mirkwood because Sentinels are unique to that army list.
Lothlorien has more variety and has the Galadhrim Warriors as common formations, so if you're using Lothlorien because it has Galadhrim then you may as well use Mirkwood because it has Sentinels.

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Well, Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas would only be present together at really huge battles, and the same goes for Easterlings and Orcs assaulting MT, or Gwaihir and his eagles (who only turn up when the fate of ME in in danger). Besides that, using my system, you'd get more WOR then using yours.

Why wouldn't Rohan send a small, select force to help the Elves, instead of a mass of troops? The same goes for other armies.




I see what you're trying to say, but surely that is the choice of the player; they can use the Mirkwood army list and ally in the units they want, or use a different army list and ally the units from Mirkwood. The Sentinels are Mirkwood's Elite, they wouldn't fight alongside Elves of Lothlorien without normal Wood Elves with them. The Elite wouldn't go without the normal soldiers.

It would cost 300-400 Points to include an Elf Marshall, 3-4 Companies of Wood Elves and 3-4 Companies of Sentinels, which seems expensive in smaller games (less than 850), but most people play at least 1000 Points. If you're going to play lower points then you're going to choose to use Mirkwood because Sentinels are unique to that army list.
Lothlorien has more variety and has the Galadhrim Warriors as common formations, so if you're using Lothlorien because it has Galadhrim then you may as well use Mirkwood because it has Sentinels.[/quote]

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@Chris, do you mind if I do an evil version?

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-FSM.

But not everyone plays huge battles, and using the current system people who want to represent part of a larger battle won't be able to include them.
Currently you can ally in 10/11 companies of Easterlings at 1500 Points, with no command, so that's 2x 2 Companies of Easterling Archer Cohort and then 6 Companies of Easterling Cohort with Pikes, and then the rest of your army has to be Orcs.
On the other hand you could include this and then put a Dragon Knight, Drummer and Captain into the formation if you wanted to, and take some Easterling Kataphrakts as well.



Sounds like a challenge
If you were including Legolas and Gimli, then you won't. 1/4 of 1500 = 375. Gimli + Legolas = 375. No Warriors of Rohan.



In case they get ambushed along the way. Here's a little scenario of what could happen:
Only Elites:
The Rohan Royal Guard are riding through the forest to help the Elves of Lothlorien, when suddenly some Orcs leap from the trees, attacking the Rohirrim. Many of the Royal Guard are slain, but they manage to drive off the Orcs.
With weaker soldiers:
The Rohan Royal Guard are following the Riders of Rohan through the forest to help the Elves of Lothlorien, when suddenly some Orcs leap from the trees, attacking the Rohirrim. Many of the Riders of Rohan and some of the Royal Guard are slain, but as the Royal Guard are better fighters than the Orcs, and are less effected by the Element of Surprise they can help the Rohirrim drive off the Orcs

Effectively the weaker warriors act as arrow fodder/bait.



You may, but I have already started the evil version, so I may not use yours.

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Well, don't think 8 coy of Easterlings is too bad. 25% of your army really is quite enough. It also is (I just realized) one of the few weapons against cherrypicking allies. In your system, I can make a list like this: 1000 pts Isengard.
Thrydan 50

Khamul 125
Betrayer 125
Knight of Umbar 125
Druzhag 100

4 coy Morannons 100
4 coy Morannons 100
Uruk Crossbows 3 coy 105
Uruk Crossbows 3 coy 105
Isengard Orc Warband 4 coy 65

Witch is the ugliest thing I can come up with this quickly. I'm sure someone like Blackmist over on TLA, or Xelee (who doesn't use cheese, but seems to have met his share) could come up with something far worse.



If that happened, Thèoden should kill his commander on the spot. Any senseful person would have some scouts sent out, and generally have utilised extreme care, not sent his troops into a trap like that. Besides, it's often better (and has been done often in history, look at the Order of Battle for the 1812 campaign for instance, every country in Europe sent their Guards and Elites to Napoleons armies) to send a small unit of elites to your allies, as they move faster and better hidden and enemy spies wouldn't notice their absence as much as that of thousands of normal warriors.

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"... Telchar wrought it in the deeps of time."
-On Andùril, The Lord of the Rings

Evil Army Lists have been added to the first post.



This isn't possible in my system, as the Evil army will have similar army lists to those of the Good side, just for Evil (see 2nd half of first post). Also the costs of Ringwraiths, Thrydan and Morannon Orcs have been increased (see the link in the first post).



Scouts can be killed on their way back to the main group of riders, and enemy armies can also take extreme care not to be spotted by scouts.
I admit elites would be sent alone to help, such as your example above, but you could also send normal soldiers to help, and it also stops the spamming of powerful units allied with cheap units.
How about we agree to disagree?

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Well, it's difficult to hide 500-600 Orcs (which is about the minimum to ambush 50-100 Rohan Royal Guard) so that a group of proper scouts wouldn't notice them at all. And the scouts would remain within hearing distance of the main column, and just shout when they find something.

Why do I allways get caught up in pointless discussion about something that has nothing to do with the OP? I agree to disagree.

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"... Telchar wrought it in the deeps of time."
-On Andùril, The Lord of the Rings

As soon as I get the time, I will provide a full analysis of your rules (well the evil side anyway, you don't need help with the good guys)

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I've posted the rules for the formations and Epic Heroes that are listed for the evil side, but don't currently have rules, in the 2nd of half of post 2.


What good topic doesn't


Thanks Gothmog

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