Have done, as the US team had got it wrong before when I've asked them questions. They once told me that you add the dice roll to the F value to see who wins a fight :/

Can you post all the questions and replies please, you sent quite a list.

ta

But there ARE rules for existing a terrain feature, which are used in two different phases as explained by Celebdriel. Since there are no restrictions on which phase the rules for exiting must be adhered to, they must apply to all phases (they already apply to moving and fighting). So, to charge out of terrain you must make your formation abide by the rules of exiting terrain. As such, you must be able to put all your companies within 6 inches and have at least one company touching the terrain feature. Then, even if you make a legal formation you do not get to move further that phase, also if you can not place them in an appropriate manner then the formation may be destroyed. As per the rules on p.53, exiting a terrain feature, and I believe p55. So, any attempted charge that follows the rules for exiting a terrain feature is an automatic failure, no formation may move upon exiting a terrain feature. Since the charge is an automatic failure the formation stays in the terrain or is destroyed.

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US Customer Service... These guys know as much about the rules of LotR and WotR as any random GW worker - "you need to roll 6s to win" and "it's a game of 6s"

I emailed UK Events team (and so did Hithero from what I heard) and they can't make an official rulling until the FAQ comes out.

Somehow I would go with what 99% of the posters here seems to say

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talked with them again
no written response


1. yes you can charge out from occupying terrain
2. designate point of exit and target
3. roll die. note distance is considered as double as with difficult terrain.


yes it really needs an FAQ

and naturally y'all can play it any way you want till then


@xelee
probably over reacted to the "shopping" comment.
was not shopping
was actually looking for a solid argument for why you cannot charge out of terrain
and the best poster in that regard was celebdriel

but it all still come done to
1. no prohibition against charging from defensive terrain in the charge rules
2. there is no prohibition against charging from defensive terrain rules
3. defensive terrain rules specify limitation for movement out of terrain in the move phase but whereas all of you used this as restriction applicable to include charge, i saw no reason why this should be so because the rules for movement does not apply to the charge phase

all is alright
consensus is not science

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See, the problem is, as I stated above, there is only one mechanism for leaving occupied defensible terrain, and that is on page 53, it is not limited to the move phase, as you said yourself it is not restrictive. There is only one mechanism to leave occupied terrain and part of that mechanism means your formation MUST be within 6 inches and be touching the feature, the formation may not move further that phase. Which equals a failed charge. No need to roll a 1.

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richmondwarmancers we play Lord of The Rings, Battlefleet Gothic, Infinity, some board games, and really whatever tickles our fancy..

Also the excert above is completely fabricated, there is no such rule written in the rulebook - this is a house rule.

not really

you choose a spearhead to measure from, where that spearhead is up to you. this is rules.
you choose target, this is also rules.
you are in terrain charging through terrain, use the terrain rules for charging.

if it is a house rule it is GW house rules

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Problem is of course, you have ignored the ONLY rules given to us for EXITING a terrain feature.

So, max 3 inch charge for Orcs, and 12 for the Galadhirm Knights

Can't wait to see the FAQ on this one. Knowing GW they probably won't even cover it!

Yes the case of Pathfinders etc is definitely one of the issues that worries me. However, the general great freedom accorded units which exit defensible terrain is a bigger concern, and I worry that whichever staffer communicated this isn't really familiar with how WOTR actually plays out. It will allow you to achieve things with one unit, which would formerly have required multiple units and/or heroic actions to set up.

Still, there are still crazier things in this game lol So even if this turns out to be true, I guess it really boils down to a change in unit mixes and the relative attractiveness of spell lists.

@ Fracas, all sensible rules-writers (though often not others in their company not directly involved in rules design) will often simply state "the rules only tell you what you can do, not what you can't to." Sometimes even the rules designers take a while to learn - Phil @ BF got mired in several week long extrication sessions after throwing in something or another that 'seemed like a good idea at the time.'

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Does anyone speak GW? Here's the response I got from GW AU.

"Thanks for your email. In answer to your question about formations in War of the Ring making a charge move in the charge phase after exiting defensive terrain, the moving out of defensive terrain only effects your formation during the movement and shoot phases, not the charge phase. You'd follow through the rules with charges as per normal once the charge phase rolls around. Well we hope this answers your question and inspires you and your friends to play more intense and exciting battles of War of the Ring!"

and here's the question

"Can a formation "Occupying" a defensible terrain feature, charge out of the defensible terrain in the charge phase if it has not exited in the move phase, and if so how – as the rules don’t seem to show it."

What are they saying? I imagine we can have 70 posts about what this actually means also

LOL ! Clear as mud, we are no further forward.

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I've got a reply back from UK and they are good enough to be honest and say do not know. It has been passed on to the design team, the only people who can give a definative answer.

I got the same reply from them, they also said that Hithero sent an email with that not long before me

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The problem with your version is you are ignoring the fact that the company trying to charge is charging out of OCCUPIED terrain not just through difficult terrain. Out of an occupied terrain feature. The method for exiting an occupied terrain feature is given, and is used in two other phases involving movement, namely the move and the fight. A rule for the shoot phase specifies that a target occupying terrain is not driven back by shooting. But somehow you are neglecting to use the rules given, should the RAW not be applied to the charge phase when they already apply to every other phase except when given a special exemption(shooting)?
Can you give a reason why the rules for exiting a terrain feature should not be used in the charge phase?

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Iterestingly I have just received this from GW USA



So there we have it, one semi-official answer in writing.

Wahay! Common sense has prevailed!

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Please lock this thread the answer is clear now or there are coming endless discussions on this board.

But nice hithero that you send an email.

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