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Read it clearly. The 'description' has nothing to do with overlord. It means he has the overlord rule, and he counts as an army banner. They didn't put the army banner stuff seperately because he isn't technically banner.
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| Author: | Warbo [ Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
In Gothmog, Castellan of Minas Morgul's profile it says he has Overlord, but then it gives a description different to the one on page 69. Are they the same Overlord rule? or do they just happen to have the same name? The way I use this rule is that it is nothing to do with the page 69 overlord, it is different (Gothmog is an army banner) or else he would have two different special rules, one for Overlord and one for army banner. |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
Hi, you appear new, welcome Read it clearly. The 'description' has nothing to do with overlord. It means he has the overlord rule, and he counts as an army banner. They didn't put the army banner stuff seperately because he isn't technically banner. |
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| Author: | Warbo [ Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
ok but are you sure, because I can't think of any other example where they put the name of an existing special rule (in bold) then give a description which adds to that. I always thought the description that follows the rule tells us the thing that the rule does (and that is only what it does). Are you saying that the non-bold text that follows the word overlord on pg164 is completely unrelated and separate to the Overlord rule. If so, shouldnt it have its own title in bold? |
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| Author: | Draugluin [ Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
It's merely adding to the rule. So he has Overlord and also counts as an army banner. Nothing more. |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
I am sure. When it says the description after the bolded words are the description of the rule, they do not mean for the common special rules, which always follows the descriptions listed in the common special rules section including terror etc, and in this case the hero version. Also, Gothmog is not an Army Banner, he counts as one, so he cannot be listed as having that rule. And what Draugluin says. |
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| Author: | Warbo [ Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
2 things: Are you saying that Gothmog doesnt have the benefits of Army Banner (I believe it is Heroic Advance)? I think you are right but can you give me an example of another formation/hero with a common special rule that is added to with a description 
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
First, Gothmog does have the benefits of an army banner (heroic advance). He just literally isn't one. Secondly, Expert Riders (cavalry only) from the King's Guard. Artillery as well. Only 2 of them don't have modification. As most of them say that the use a unique table. This is the most notable example. There are slightish ones like Tree Slumber, a variant of Ambusher, Iron Fist a variant of Overlord. Also, Extremely/Ridiculously Hard 2 Kill. |
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| Author: | Warbo [ Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
fair enough. I always used to think when to writers were making thebook they thought Gothmog should be a army banner and when they were thinkng of a name for that special rule they forgot that overlord was already a rule |
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| Author: | Lorindol [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
Anyway.. Gothmog is a great addition to your army muhaha |
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| Author: | Telchar [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
Yup. Unless you combo him up with Khamul and the Dwimmerlaik, because then suddenly you lose all opponents... Or at least, people don't like you anymore. |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
Telchar wrote: Yup. Unless you combo him up with Khamul and the Dwimmerlaik, because then suddenly you lose all opponents... Or at least, people don't like you anymore. Unless they play Gandalf, Galadriel and Dain. Or Arry and Gimli. |
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| Author: | Warbo [ Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
counsellors can give eachother might, but remember no statistic in the profile of any character can go above 10, so they wont be able to get more than 10 might at any time |
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| Author: | Telchar [ Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
@Warbo: That's still a sick amount of Epic Rampage and Epic Defense. @ Gothmog: Anyone can defeat the Aragorn+Gimli combo, certainly if you play multiple-Wraith. For the points thats in there, you can get 4 Ringwraiths. Pall of night stops charges, SfC and Visions of Woe + Sunder Spirit kill the buggers. Add in a few Arbalesters, and hey presto! 500 points gone in two turns max. |
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| Author: | Warbo [ Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
I would do all I could to charge the ringwraiths then duel them all to death in one turn |
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| Author: | Telchar [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
Epic Strike. |
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| Author: | Warbo [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
Aragorn can out duel them if he also calls epic strike |
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| Author: | Telchar [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
Then it's just a roll-off. And you get the duel back in your face for free, never forget - Gothmog. And you get black darted if you seriously try this - I mean bring along enough duelers to get a second round of duels in. |
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| Author: | Warbo [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
Remember that aragorn would call Epic duel, so he gets to roll two dice |
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| Author: | Telchar [ Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gothmog's Overlord special rule |
Still, it remains very chancy. You will probably win, but I doubt you'd get through R3. |
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