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Are the Hobbits good for anything in WOTR?
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Author:  Bastion.HUN [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:14 am ]
Post subject:  Are the Hobbits good for anything in WOTR?
Their cost is 10-15 points. They are weak with low defence, and they are slow too! They dont have any special abilities, they could have a captain, thats all. Only their braveness are better.

What are you oppinions guys? Have you ever used hobbit formations?

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Author:  Slythar [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:25 am ]
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Yeah... I got 3 companies of them. I just use Hobbit Archers because they are the cheapest on the good side. 3c of Hobbits or Ic of Wood Elves with Bows. I mix them them as one of my archer formations or just sit them in the back of my army and leave them there to protect the rear.
Author:  catdubh [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:09 pm ]
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Not much to be honest.
The militia can be used as a cheap speed bump and distraction but not much else.
The Archers as said are cheap, but 5pt more gets you Rohan Bow (Better all round plus the option of 5 st3 throwing weapons), the best value "good" bow in the game. No contest
Author:  smaul [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:22 pm ]
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I think they make great archers for the points, but hey, Im used to orc archers. :)
Author:  Xelee [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:15 pm ]
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I'd field them all the time if I could get them as plastics. Smaul's right, Orc archers are good in this game (for their cost) and the Hobbits are cheaper.
Author:  catdubh [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:55 pm ]
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Xelee wrote:
I'd field them all the time if I could get them as plastics. Smaul's right, Orc archers are good in this game (for their cost) and the Hobbits are cheaper.


If they were 10 points I'd agree but 5pts cheaper than Rohan bow not so much. 60pts 4 companies of Hobbits or 3 companies of Rohan. You get so much more with Rohan Bow, same price as Orc bow.
+1 shoot value, throwing weapons, +1 courage, what's not to like.
Now 10pt Ruffians, shoot the same as 20pt Orcs. I have nine companies, always cause a nuisance, 90pts very well spent :D
Author:  Xelee [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:20 pm ]
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Yes ruffians are on my actual to-get list. I'm trying to find a set of plastics that'll give me enough bow. Orc with bow are easy (WGF) but ruffians are trickier.
Author:  catdubh [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:25 pm ]
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Hi Xelee, just seen this they are very easy to do, I'll post detail tomorrow as its a bit late up here at the top end of the World 8)
Author:  Xelee [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:29 pm ]
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Hi catdubh, I was waiting for you to post and forgot about this, in case you are still watching the thread - I am always interested to see ideas for other ways to do WOTR figures.

Cheers
Author:  catdubh [ Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:52 pm ]
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Sorry Xelee, had a very mad week!

Right Box of Perry WoT Roses Infantry, 2 boxs of WF Saxon Fyrd, £39
Two packs of 16 WF Fyrd bodies, and 4 packs of Saxon heads from a bits supplier in the good old US of A. (£10)
Assault Group 20 metal Halberds.(£6)
Knife, plastic glue and off you go :-D

Some 40 Perry War of the Roses with Halberds = 5 Companies of Pelargir Halberds (counts as Axemen of Lossarnach)
24 gambeson figures, metal helmets, Shields and spare weapons from my Gripping Beast Vikings = 3 more companies worth of Dunland Huscarls (mixed in)
72 Saxon figure left. Heads without helmets, 30 bow form the Perry infantry, No swords these are poor Levy troops, so 16 Seax, the rest axes from the Viking sprues.
I made some wooded clubs out of match sticks also whips are available from the Assault group. I however use these figures as Saxons for Impetus, and soon for Saga, so have not used the clubs or whips myself.
Now you could miss out the Gripping Beast weapons but my biggest hate with the Wargames Factory figures is the open hands not even gripping the weapon, I've positioned the Seax to hide this as much as possible, I use them because the Seax is a poor man's sword and I like them. :)
Spare heads with Helmets and Viking weapons for conversion of my Dunland Horse.

So 5 companies of halberds, 3 companies of Huscarls, 9 companies of Ruffians (96 Saxons for Historical wargamming) for just over £50. :D
Not sure what that is in New Zealand Pesos :lol:
Author:  mastermanje [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:05 am ]
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catdubh, can you post the site where to buy that troops
Author:  Xelee [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Are the Hobbits good for anything in WOTR?
mastermanje,

Maelstrom Games sells Wargames Factory, Gripping Beast and Perry Plastics. Wayland probably does too.

Cheers for the ideas catdubh - I'll have a look into those combinations of pieces. I'm not so keen on the idea of the Perry WOTR for LOTR troops but your way with the extra heads etc might help a bit here. Have you taken any photos of your converted troops?
Author:  catdubh [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:17 pm ]
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Xelee wrote:
mastermanje,

Maelstrom Games sells Wargames Factory, Gripping Beast and Perry Plastics. Wayland probably does too.

Cheers for the ideas catdubh - I'll have a look into those combinations of pieces. I'm not so keen on the idea of the Perry WOTR for LOTR troops but your way with the extra heads etc might help a bit here. Have you taken any photos of your converted troops?


Hi Xelee, found the Perry figures match up very well with WoMT in both hight and build, much more so that the other 28mm Historical ranges. The trick is to not paint them as if the were War of the Roses, I have painted them using a standard Uniform, bases on a Crimson Red, the same as the cloth on my WoMT so the fit in with the Pelargir army very well. The GB and WF are stockier, I find they don't match well with LoTR Rohan or Gondor, but are Perfect for those big hairy Strength 4 Dunlanders :)

I'll take a photo of some Ruffians for you and post them up, give you an Idea.
Author:  catdubh [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:19 pm ]
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mastermanje wrote:
catdubh, can you post the site where to buy that troops


mastermanje, what country are you in?
Author:  mastermanje [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are the Hobbits good for anything in WOTR?
dutch
Author:  FireKnife [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:01 pm ]
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In answer to the question, yes, for throwing at your opponent when his annoyingly good dice rolls get on your nerves.

But seriously i couldn't see any reason to take them, unless you literally had such a small points gap to fill and they fitted the bill.

'FireKnife'
Author:  Beowulf03809 [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:25 pm ]
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Are there any of the BattleHosts that would make a medium-sized detachment of Hobbits more playable beyond just "fun"? The one for Thranduil's Halls, for example, and a couple Rohan BHs make each of those a little less challenging to play without being over-the-top beneficial. The only Forgotten Kingdom BH I really looked at was for the Ents but found that one lacking on usability unless you are facing Isengard only. So I don't have any familiarity with the Shire one(s).
Author:  GothmogtheWerewolf [ Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:05 pm ]
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weird how ruffians are so much more popular than hobbit when they're so similar.
Author:  catdubh [ Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:18 pm ]
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GothmogtheWerewolf wrote:
weird how ruffians are so much more popular than hobbit when they're so similar.


Hi GothmogtheWerewolf, yes they are both the cheapest bow for good and evil, its what the alternatives are that effects the popularity.

Ruffians 10pt bow, alternative is Orc bow 20pts. The ruffians have 1pt less courage and get 1pt lower fight (not a big issue), all other stats are the same for half the price. Also they are humans so for some like myself they are more appropriate than orcs. 3 companies of ruffians for 30pts is fantastic value. :)

Hobbit bow 15pts, alternative Rohan bow 20pts. Rohan +2 movement, +2 fight, -1 shoot, +1 strength, +1 defence, option of 5 st3 throwing weapons. All those extras for 5pts more, yes please. :D

Hobbit militia are even worse, very slow, low defence, low strength, fight 1 close combat troops, sorry just not worth it in my opinion.
Author:  Xelee [ Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:59 pm ]
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I'd still take them. They really only fit certain forces modeled on particular times and places anyway and I think they are worth their points. You aren't always in a situation where you have a choice between the two, except in the sense that the rules always allow it.

I don't think a battlehost is needed for this and I'd be quite happy to use the Gondor/Arnor list. In fact you've got me thinking 'Third Age Total War' Eriador analogues for other units so I can make an army.... assuming I ever find some cheap Hobbit models (they are metals, right?) Plastic Norman knights as town merchant cavalry, rangers, warriors of arnor (use Perrys or upcoming Conquest foot) as town heavy infantry, axemen of lossarnach as town guard with polearms, Grey Company or Dunedain, maybe some Elves?

Could be fun.
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