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| Author: | Badner [ Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Balrog -worth his points? |
Hi, Do you think that the Balrog is still not worth his points? He can do brutal power attacks and doesn't need to do heroic strikes. |
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| Author: | JamesR [ Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Balrog -worth his points? |
Not even remotely worth his points. With 0 might and 0 will he's pretty sorry. True BPA's make him a tiny bit better, but not much. He should be 100-150 points cheaper than he currently is IMO |
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| Author: | Jacob [ Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Balrog -worth his points? |
We play thathe is 50 points less and has a 12" Stand Fast! with a dragging effect to his lash (Watcher in the Water style!). He's probably still to much at that but it makes him a bit better and a bit less ignorable. |
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| Author: | Coenus Scaldingus [ Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Balrog -worth his points? |
Aye, better than before (obviously), but not good. I like Jacob's suggestions, not just for added power, but also a bit more interesting - especially the lash. Would love to see the profile redone with some extra fun rules, like Smaug. |
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| Author: | LordoftheBrownRing [ Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Balrog -worth his points? |
Even with power attacks he's a lot more than he ever should be. I would never field him even more in a fun game. He needs minimum 3 abilities like small orbbeorn have and 3 rules unique to him to be worth his points. |
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| Author: | Badner [ Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Balrog -worth his points? |
I also think that he is not worth his points but I don't think that the Balrog is that bad. Because, what do you want to do against him (in a big points battle)? |
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| Author: | LordoftheBrownRing [ Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Balrog -worth his points? |
Badner wrote: I also think that he is not worth his points but I don't think that the Balrog is that bad. Because, what do you want to do against him (in a big points battle)? Wizards Ringwraiths Trolls with might Treebeard Bolg Azog plenty of furied units with a hero heroic striking half trolls and many more. For his points I believe you can get a named wraith on fell beast a troll and and like 130 more points. |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Balrog -worth his points? |
I wouldn't bother casting magic on the Balrog. It has 10 Will. |
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| Author: | JamesR [ Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Balrog -worth his points? |
GothmogtheWerewolf wrote: I wouldn't bother casting magic on the Balrog. It has 10 Will. And resistant to magic. Badner wrote: I also think that he is not worth his points but I don't think that the Balrog is that bad. Because, what do you want to do against him (in a big points battle)? That's very easy, surround him with troops and you'll kill him with less than half his points of opposition, he's literally never worth it. Last game that I fought one I killed him with Drar and 6 Dwarves (2 Khazad Guard, and 4 Dwarf Warriors), all of them used piercing strike every turn and killed him very, very quickly and I only lost 2 Dwarf warriors. That's roughly 125 points of models killing a 400 point model with only losing 16 points themselves |
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| Author: | LordoftheBrownRing [ Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Balrog -worth his points? |
GothmogtheWerewolf wrote: I wouldn't bother casting magic on the Balrog. It has 10 Will. Really? You wouldn't cast magic with a wizard that gets 1 free will every turn? Or a necromancer who has 25? Sauron? Witch King? One or two turns on a trapped Balrog who's halved his fights and attacks by the right units and he can die. Imagine you trap him with a hero a troll and a bunch of black guard? Win a fight and inflicting wounds is not all that far fetched. |
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| Author: | Badner [ Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Balrog -worth his points? |
Thank you for your thoughts. Do you think that if he had 3 M and 3 F, he would be worth his points? |
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| Author: | Galanur [ Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Balrog -worth his points? |
nop bit more but still not there yet... |
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