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| Author: | Stormcrow [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Cavalry counter charge |
Hi, Just noted this on p50 of the one ring rule book and want to check my understanding is correct. It's in the section about bonuses for charging cavalry. The rules state that the bonuses are gained when the cavalry charges opponents on foot and still apply if they are subsequently charged by other warriors on foot. A paragraph then sums it up by saying that to claim these bonuses mounted warriors must have charged and be in base contact exclusively with warriors on foot when the fight is resolved. My question is this: An enemy cavalry charges two orcs on foot, granting his bonuses. In my move I charge the enemy cavalry with a model that is not infantry eg: cavalry, a monster, or a monsterous mount. Does that then mean that the enemy cavalry looses all his bonuses? |
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| Author: | Jazlotus [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
Just read the rule in the Hobbit book, and yeah to gain these bonuses, you must be in base contact "exclusively" with foot models, when its time to resolve the fight. So if you allow yourself to get counter charged by cavalry / monsters / monstrous mount you lose those bonuses. Well found Mr Crow |
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| Author: | NotLegolasJustTipsy [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
As Jazlotus says, we play it this way. If you get counter charged by infantry you keep all bonuses. You lose all bonuses if charged by cavalry, Monsters or Monstrous Mounts. Also you don't gain the knocked to ground rule if your piece you charged has Strength 6 or higher but gain charge bonus. |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
But a Monster is infantry, and the rules say that infantry keeps its bonus if charged by a monster, he just can't knock the monster to the ground. Note this does not apply to Monstrous Mounts. From the Hobbit rulebook: Quote: If a Cavalry model with this bonus wins a fight, all his opponents are Knocked to the Ground, except for Monsters and Models with a Strength of 6 or more. You still get the extra attack against a monster, you just cannot knock it to the ground. A monster that is not a monstrous mount is still infantry in all regatrds except for the specific rules, thus you keep your extra attack. |
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| Author: | DingK [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
I had a related question: does the bonus also apply to countercharging infantry? My Rider charges an Orc, and a second Orc countercharges. The Rider wins the fight; do both Orcs get Knocked Down, or just the first one? We played it according to the latter, though I obviously disagreed. 
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
The extra attack definbately apllies to both. The wording in the quote I just postsed shows that the cavalry model does knock to the ground the Orc countercharging as well. This passage may also be helpful: Quote: He recieves these bonuses regardless of the number of enemy models he charges, so long as all his opponants are on foot. The bonuses apply even if the model is subsequently charged by other enemies on foot. See, the word 'bonuses' means both extra attack and knock to the ground, and the highlighted part shows that countercharging infantry are still knocked to the ground. |
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| Author: | Stormcrow [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
So how do you identify what is classed as infantry and what is not? |
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| Author: | hithero [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
Stormcrow wrote: So how do you identify what is classed as infantry and what is not? An infantryman is not on a horse .
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| Author: | Beowulf03809 [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
Not to put too fine a point on it, but that's about it. Unless something specifically says it's cavalry or a Monsterous Mount (or attacks like one), it's not. Wargs without riders are not Cavalry, nor are Giant Spiders, Eagles, Trolls, etc. That's where the Strength variable comes into play with regard to Cavalry attacking Monsters, but only for the "Knocked down" part of the rules. Don't try to read too much into the rules or look for something more complicated. |
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| Author: | Nuidiver [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
Hi, What if the infantry of side A charges one Calvary of side B. Then side B re-enforce the fight by charging with another cavalry. Do both cavalries gain extra dice? I think only one. If the fight is win by side A, does it matter which dice win the fight to "Knocked down" the foe? PS, and welcome me on this forum  
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
Welsome to One Ring. If a cavalry model charges it gets the bonuses, if it doesn't charge, ythen it doesn't, it is specific to each model. |
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| Author: | Beowulf03809 [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
As said, each individual Cav model only gets the bonuses if it charged, not just because it was part of a fight where SOMEONE charged. When the player with Priority breaks up the fight it could have significant implications in a case like this. For example, if you are able to keep a Cav that charged in the same fight as your Cav that did not charge. But you opponent may be able to divide things up in such a way that the Cav that was charged is out of luck. |
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| Author: | Galdorv [ Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
DingK wrote: I had a related question: does the bonus also apply to countercharging infantry? My Rider charges an Orc, and a second Orc countercharges. The Rider wins the fight; do both Orcs get Knocked Down, or just the first one? We played it according to the latter, though I obviously disagreed. I have the same enquire |
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| Author: | Dr Grant [ Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
As the cavalry model has charged and is still fighting exclusively against infantry models, both orcs get knocked down. |
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| Author: | Lord_of_the_nine [ Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
Upon reading this thread a question came to my mind can you please answer me. If a monstrous mount charges a cavalry model and then it's countercharged by other cavalry models does it keep it's bonuses by being a monstrous mount or it loses them? |
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| Author: | Draugluin [ Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
It keeps them because it's just another cav model. If it was a monstrous mount, it would lose its bonus. |
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| Author: | Lord_of_the_nine [ Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cavalry counter charge |
thanks |
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