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| Author: | PAMPLEMOUSE [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | the shadow lord vs. blinding light |
what happeds when the shadow lord's darkness meets cast blinding light. one says that every thing is conceled and the other every thing is illuminated. both give a penilty to hit when shooting. so which has pecedence? my friend with the shadow lord naturaly wants his to work all the time. I think it's the spell as it's cast and can be extingushed by other means. both of us want to find an answer and GW hasn't answered me or him. The way we areed to play it is which one moved to over lap the other has their effect work. I would like the communities oppinion. Thanks Matt |
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| Author: | hero of gondor [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:30 pm ] |
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Also have problems with it. In the rules of cast blinding they say that everything with 12'' is covered in a light and raises darknes and in the rules of the shadow lord they say that he covers everything withing 6'' in darknes so I think that cast blinding light raises the shadowslord rule. But it doesn't make any sense cause blinding light also work for your enemy 
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| Author: | hithero [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:45 pm ] |
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Both spells follow their respective rules, nothing to say they don't. |
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| Author: | PAMPLEMOUSE [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:08 pm ] |
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what i'm saying is if they follow their respective rules which one out does the other of the two radiuses come in contact? |
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| Author: | hithero [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:44 pm ] |
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Neither cancels the other out, they both have their effect, if you want to quantify it, just say you get strobe lighting that buggers up vision. |
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| Author: | PAMPLEMOUSE [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:04 am ] |
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your missing the point the blinding light only obstructs vision with in 6" and it illuminates within 12" so if the cast blinding light just overlaps the shadow lord by, say 3 inches then which happens the illumination or the concealment? |
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| Author: | xtanha1rrmx [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:28 am ] |
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They don't have any effect on each other. They both cause a penalty to shooting to units within their range, even if they overlap. |
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| Author: | PAMPLEMOUSE [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:50 am ] |
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the blinding light between 6-12" away has NO effect on shooting it just illuminates the area as if it's the day time! |
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| Author: | hithero [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:53 am ] |
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PAMPLEMOUSE wrote: your missing the point the blinding light only obstructs vision with in 6" and it illuminates within 12" so if the cast blinding light just overlaps the shadow lord by, say 3 inches then which happens the illumination or the concealment? As I keep saying, the spells have no effect on each other - the rules do not say they do. Blinding light illumination only effects natural darkness.
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| Author: | PAMPLEMOUSE [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:45 am ] |
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it never says that it says the area is illumminated as in daylight, there is no specification to what the cercumstances of the dark being lifted is. |
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| Author: | Lord Hurin [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:20 am ] |
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I think you're reading too much into the fluff. Just because the flavour text for one spell says it disrupts shooting with light and another says it disrupts shooting with darkness doesn't mean there's anything in the game to say they'd cancel each other out. Would it in real life? I suppose so, yes. In real life, mind you, there aren't Nazgul, Orcs, Trolls, Ents, etc... |
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| Author: | xtanha1rrmx [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:25 am ] |
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They have answered your question very well. However, you can always create your own house rule among friends as to how to resolve it. Officially, they do not cancel each other out. |
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| Author: | PAMPLEMOUSE [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:40 am ] |
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i'm not talking about shooting (i'm talking about visibility) or canceling each other out because they both can't work togeather one has to take precedence for visibility, it also has nothing to do with fluff just the rules. |
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| Author: | hithero [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:54 am ] |
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The spells or dark/light conditions do not effect visability anyway, do they? They only effect shooting as stated in their rules. As far as I'm aware your question has been answered fully and correctly, maybe you should give a specific example for the condition you want a different answer for. |
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| Author: | Dwarf Lord of Ered Luin [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:09 am ] |
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There is nothing in the shadowlord's rule that effects visibility so blinding light applies as normal, which really only effects battles in the dark, and has no effect on the "pall of darkness." |
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| Author: | General Haar [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:19 pm ] |
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You're overcomplicating things. The 6-12" light radius does NOTHING to the Shadowlord's rule, and the Shadowlord's rule does nothing Blinding Light. Blinding Light's illumination radius affects scenarios, such as Ill Met by Moonlight. Somehow you're getting the idea that the Shadowlord's aura has the opposite effect, that everything is covered in darkness. That's just flavor text to explain how his rule works. |
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| Author: | PAMPLEMOUSE [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:45 am ] |
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Thank you for finaly telling me it has nothing to do with visibility. |
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