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I think all the legendary legions are fine. They each have their ups and downs.

Ithilien is good. It's like the old grey company ranger spam lists, but with the option for some d7 line troops and only a limited number of rangers that don't count towards the bow limit. How good it is will depend on the terrain and scenario; it's going to struggle with something like contest of champions. Faramir just doesn't stack up to a lot of the big names.

Grey company is basically the rangers list with some extra named hero options and only armoured RoTN. Free Anduril is all you really get from it, but it comes at the cost of no horses, no cheaper Dunedain, and no single model warbands to game the deployment when you can. It's not unplayable competitively or anything, but it's not going to be any more competitive than the current rangers list in a typical event (though it may be better at lower points levels due to the cheaper Aragorn w/ anduril).

Return of the King is basically dead of Dunharrow + aragorn with free anduril and no option for horse, armour, or a bow. Aragorn counting as a banner with free anduril is fantastic, but it's hard to compete with bringing Elessar on horse for the d7 and mount into a regular DoD force. Depends on the points value of the game though; at lower points, it will certainly be better, because you can get more bodies in. At higher points, it might not be as good, because you can pay some points for a better Aragorn, and having your heroes mounted is such a big deal.

Men of the West has no cavalry, but you can take mixed WoMT/KoDA warbands (for F4 and/or some D7) and have army-wide banner effects with Imrahil and Aragorn, and the entire army is fearless. The limited options are a balancing factor for how strong army-wide fearless and +1 Fv for a turn can be.

Army of Gothmog is fine; probably about as good as regular mordor w/ Gothmog and orc spam. It's hard to make a case for it being any better or worse overall; it's certainly better in some ways, but the lack of ringwraiths/fellbeasts matters.

The grand army of the south is good. It's the best list if you want to bring a Mumak because of the bonuses it confers to them; it also requires one. That said, Mumaks haven't been particularly competitive in the past, so it makes sense to give them a bump.

The black gate opens is good. Excellent army bonus, but limited options. You don't want to break, and you don't want to be up against armies with terror and harbinger of evil.

Cave Dragon wrote:

I wish the Haradrim War Leader had the ability to get the same upgrades as a Mumak.

It gets some of the best ones at a discount on top of the other special rules.

Author:	Elros Tar-Minyatur [ Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:53 pm ]
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Thanks for adding me to the group. I'm new to the game, started working on my Mordor stuff, about 1200 points, yesterday. I've been a Tolkien fan for a long time. I also posted the following on fb. I know Gondor At War has only been out for a couple days but what do the players here think about the Legendary Legions for matched play? I'm thinking about collecting a Good army and a lot of the units for the Legendary Legions are available to buy. The Grey Company has great characters but I'm still new to the game and don't know if the low model count will make it unplayable. All that Might could be the equalizer but I don 't know. THe Rangers of Ithilien look good too and I am tempted. Pretty much all of the LL look great thematically but I don't know the game well enough to judge what won't lose all the time in matched play. THoughts on the Legendary Legions for matched play?

Author:	Wan Shi Tong [ Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:22 pm ]
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I played against the Army of the Dead legion the other day and I thought they did alright. The game was at 500pts so the model count was very low but the legion's synergy served it well. I think they have a place in matched play but it will depend on whether the scenario and terrain allow them to play to their strengths.

Author:	Cave Dragon [ Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:56 pm ]
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I wish the Haradrim War Leader had the ability to get the same upgrades as a Mumak.

Author:	Asamu [ Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:56 am ]
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I think all the legendary legions are fine. They each have their ups and downs. Ithilien is good. It's like the old grey company ranger spam lists, but with the option for some d7 line troops and only a limited number of rangers that don't count towards the bow limit. How good it is will depend on the terrain and scenario; it's going to struggle with something like contest of champions. Faramir just doesn't stack up to a lot of the big names. Grey company is basically the rangers list with some extra named hero options and only armoured RoTN. Free Anduril is all you really get from it, but it comes at the cost of no horses, no cheaper Dunedain, and no single model warbands to game the deployment when you can. It's not unplayable competitively or anything, but it's not going to be any more competitive than the current rangers list in a typical event (though it may be better at lower points levels due to the cheaper Aragorn w/ anduril). Return of the King is basically dead of Dunharrow + aragorn with free anduril and no option for horse, armour, or a bow. Aragorn counting as a banner with free anduril is fantastic, but it's hard to compete with bringing Elessar on horse for the d7 and mount into a regular DoD force. Depends on the points value of the game though; at lower points, it will certainly be better, because you can get more bodies in. At higher points, it might not be as good, because you can pay some points for a better Aragorn, and having your heroes mounted is such a big deal. Men of the West has no cavalry, but you can take mixed WoMT/KoDA warbands (for F4 and/or some D7) and have army-wide banner effects with Imrahil and Aragorn, and the entire army is fearless. The limited options are a balancing factor for how strong army-wide fearless and +1 Fv for a turn can be. Army of Gothmog is fine; probably about as good as regular mordor w/ Gothmog and orc spam. It's hard to make a case for it being any better or worse overall; it's certainly better in some ways, but the lack of ringwraiths/fellbeasts matters. The grand army of the south is good. It's the best list if you want to bring a Mumak because of the bonuses it confers to them; it also requires one. That said, Mumaks haven't been particularly competitive in the past, so it makes sense to give them a bump. The black gate opens is good. Excellent army bonus, but limited options. You don't want to break, and you don't want to be up against armies with terror and harbinger of evil. Cave Dragon wrote: I wish the Haradrim War Leader had the ability to get the same upgrades as a Mumak. It gets some of the best ones at a discount on top of the other special rules.

Author:	Cave Dragon [ Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:12 pm ]
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Asamu wrote: I think all the legendary legions are fine. They each have their ups and downs. Ithilien is good. It's like the old grey company ranger spam lists, but with the option for some d7 line troops and only a limited number of rangers that don't count towards the bow limit. How good it is will depend on the terrain and scenario; it's going to struggle with something like contest of champions. Faramir just doesn't stack up to a lot of the big names. Grey company is basically the rangers list with some extra named hero options and only armoured RoTN. Free Anduril is all you really get from it, but it comes at the cost of no horses, no cheaper Dunedain, and no single model warbands to game the deployment when you can. It's not unplayable competitively or anything, but it's not going to be any more competitive than the current rangers list in a typical event (though it may be better at lower points levels due to the cheaper Aragorn w/ anduril). Return of the King is basically dead of Dunharrow + aragorn with free anduril and no option for horse, armour, or a bow. Aragorn counting as a banner with free anduril is fantastic, but it's hard to compete with bringing Elessar on horse for the d7 and mount into a regular DoD force. Depends on the points value of the game though; at lower points, it will certainly be better, because you can get more bodies in. At higher points, it might not be as good, because you can pay some points for a better Aragorn, and having your heroes mounted is such a big deal. Men of the West has no cavalry, but you can take mixed WoMT/KoDA warbands (for F4 and/or some D7) and have army-wide banner effects with Imrahil and Aragorn, and the entire army is fearless. The limited options are a balancing factor for how strong army-wide fearless and +1 Fv for a turn can be. Army of Gothmog is fine; probably about as good as regular mordor w/ Gothmog and orc spam. It's hard to make a case for it being any better or worse overall; it's certainly better in some ways, but the lack of ringwraiths/fellbeasts matters. The grand army of the south is good. It's the best list if you want to bring a Mumak because of the bonuses it confers to them; it also requires one. That said, Mumaks haven't been particularly competitive in the past, so it makes sense to give them a bump. The black gate opens is good. Excellent army bonus, but limited options. You don't want to break, and you don't want to be up against armies with terror and harbinger of evil. Cave Dragon wrote: I wish the Haradrim War Leader had the ability to get the same upgrades as a Mumak. It gets some of the best ones at a discount on top of the other special rules. Yes, but there are certain ones that I need. However, Sûladan is an option.

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Author:	Tanksie [ Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:47 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Legendary Legions in Matched Play
So after the results from a few tournaments are in turns out Return of the king is real real good. Apparently Gothmogs legion and grand army of the south have their place as well. Not sure on the others but I feel like men of the west has to be decent.

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