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| Author: | Mighty.Uruk!!! [ Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | am i getting this wrong |
my brother keeps charging my uruk scouts with his riders of rohan. from what i read from the rules cavalry get 1 extra attack to win a fight, giving them 2 attacks to win the fight they get double attacks to wound, which i would think would give them 2 attacks to wound and they barely ever kill.  now i got told by my dad (evilatmind) and my uncle that they used to give cavalry 4 attacks to wound (2 to win doubled). who is right??? |
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| Author: | Hilbert [ Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
Two attacks both to win and wound, you roll two dices to win and if you succed you go on and roll TWO dices to wound 
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
No, it's 2 dice to win, if you win, you roll 4 dice to wound. |
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| Author: | Hilbert [ Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
No GothmogTheWerewolf... I have the ruelbook of Mines of Moria and in page 50 it writes : ' A trapped warrior that falls to the ground takes double hits. Note that this model does not take four hits because it is on the ground and trapped- the disadvntage is the same." ( Watch that I translated from Greek to English and so some words may differ but expect that the rules remains the same... Also see the example about the rider of rohan and the two orcs down of this phrase on page 50.) |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
That's not taking into account the extra attack from the cavalry model, that is talking about a model that has been knocked to the ground and not charged by cavalry. It doesn't take 4 hits eactly, it's just that each of the cavalryman's 2 attacks is doubled. |
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| Author: | FireKnife [ Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
Actually it is 4 as essentially you have two attacks (1 and 1 extra for Extra Attack) and those two attacks double for 2 sets of two attacks so against a single model it is 4 potential wounds as it is two attacks doubled. What that rule about doubling strikes means that two attacks don't translate into 8 as that would be two attacks, each doubled for knocked down and doubled again for trapped, which is not right. They would get 2 attacks to win the fight with and if they win they have two attacks which are doubled (so two sets of two) for the wounding section. 'FireKnife' |
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| Author: | Hilbert [ Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
You are right... I was confused because it said htis that emant two attacks...  Sorry... At elast you can direct 3 or one attack to a model but you must two at a time...
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| Author: | FireKnife [ Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
Essentially they are two attacks but as they are directed against a downed model they will become 2 dice to wound. If you charge an Orc with a RoR and knock them down and that RoR is charged by another Orc then if he wins the fight he can direct one attack at each model but only the downed model will have two dice to wound rolled as they are trapped / knocked down. It sort of makes sense but i can see how it is easy to get confused. 'FireKnife' |
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| Author: | Elland [ Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
Maybe this will help... A rider of Rohan gets 1 normal attack. When he charges, the rider of Rohan gains an extra attack. In the combat, he will roll two dice. Assuming the rider wins, his opponent (on foot) is knocked down. The rider still has only two attacks that he can allocate. Since there is only one opponent, the rider of rohan will roll FOUR dice to wound the knocked down opponent. Two attacks, which are doubled due to the opponent being knocked down (trapped). Say the rider is facing two models on foot. The rider has charged - he has his one standard attack, and a bonus attack for charging. Assuming again that the rider wins the fight. Both opponents are knocked down. Now, the rider still has only two attacks that he can allocate. The player chooses the Uruk-hai scout for the first attack. Since the Uruk Scout is knocked down, the rider rolls two dice. If he kills the scout, he can then allocate the second attack against the other model that was knocked down, and roll two dice to try and kill that model as well, or if he does not kill the scout, he can then direct the second attack, again rolling two dice to kill the opponent. You do not have 4 attacks that you can allocate how you want. You have two attacks (when charging) that you can allocate which are then multiplied if the opponent is knocked down/trapped. If the rider is charged by a model on foot, he only receives his 1 attack and does not gain the benefit of the knockdown. Hope that helps. |
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| Author: | Elland [ Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
FireKnife wrote: If you charge an Orc with a RoR and knock them down and that RoR is charged by another Orc then if he wins the fight he can direct one attack at each model but only the downed model will have two dice to wound rolled as they are trapped / knocked down. 'FireKnife' Just to clarify this - if your cavalry charges a model on foot, and the cavalry model is then charged by another model on foot in the same turn that it charged, BOTH models on foot will be knocked to the ground if the cavalry model wins the fight. So, for example, the good player wins priority and a Knight of Dol Amroth charges an Uruk-hai warrior. The evil player, wanting a better chance to win/tie charges the knight of Dol Amroth with another Uruk-hai warrior during the evil-player's turn. The players roll their dice, the Knight scoring a 2, 6; the Uruk's scoring a 4, 4. Both Uruk-hai are knocked to the ground - even though one of them charged the knight of Dol Amroth during the movement phase. The knight of Dol Amroth can then direct his first attack at either model, rolling two dice to wound, adding the bonus for having a lance to both rolls. The knight kills the first Uruk, then directs the second attack at the second Uruk. Because it was also knocked down, the Knight gets two attacks, plus charging bonus for the lance. Hope that helps. |
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| Author: | Elland [ Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
Hilbert wrote: You are right... I was confused because it said htis that emant two attacks... Sorry... At elast you can direct 3 or one attack to a model but you must two at a time... I may be misreading this, but no - you don't have 4 attacks to allocate, so you can't direct 3 at one model - you have two attacks, which are then doubled once allocated. |
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| Author: | whafrog [ Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
Elland has it right. |
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| Author: | Mighty.Uruk!!! [ Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
ah great, so 4 attacks to wound. 2 attacks to win. thanks all!! |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
I'm sure that's what I said right at the start. |
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| Author: | Hilbert [ Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
And I confused him, sorry
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| Author: | whafrog [ Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
GothmogtheWerewolf wrote: I'm sure that's what I said right at the start. Yeah, but you didn't explain why 
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| Author: | Mighty.Uruk!!! [ Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: am i getting this wrong |
ah good, all cleared up. cheers guys |
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