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| Author: | ckonnnne [ Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Isengard army help |
Hi I'm staring a isengard army and I wonder if I can use Ringwraiths to lead a warband of uruk-hai |
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| Author: | Useraxe [ Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Isengard army help |
Hello. Ringwraiths can not lead Uruk-Hai because they are not in their army list. Useraxe |
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| Author: | GothmogtheWerewolf [ Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Isengard army help |
Ringwraiths can lead warbands of Mordor Uruk-hai and Black Guards however, as they are in the same list. |
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| Author: | ckonnnne [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Isengard army help |
Thanks your awnsers have been usefull and with this knowledge I ask for tips on a cheap starting insengard army |
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| Author: | Ring_of_Gyges [ Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Isengard army help |
Isengard is a bit tricky to do cheaply as Uruk-Hai with crossbows are either metal or finecast. The plastic basic troops box is just sword & shield and pikes. Those are great troops, but if you want to round it out with shooting you'll need to pike up the more expensive crossbows. |
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| Author: | ja33 [ Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Isengard army help |
Your best shot for starting an Isengard army from scratch is to check out eBay regularly. You'll find plenty of lots popping up now and then for good prices. You may need to strip some models as most are painted and not well, but you can find some nice lots that often include multiple heroes as well Good luck ! |
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| Author: | ckonnnne [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Isengard army help |
Thanks but i wonder are scouts worth while and what heros should i get |
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| Author: | Wan Shi Tong [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Isengard army help |
For my part I advise you to get yourself the named scout captains, excepting Lurtz, if you are able. No one really seems to like Ugulk but he comes in the bundle with Vashku who is highly regarded so you'll get both anyway if you go to GW for them. The scouts themselves are decent troops and become all the better when upgraded to the marauders with 8'in movements. The Dunlanding lord is pretty sturdy too and he is one of the few that can be mounted. I'd get him, or a proxy, if you are able. After that the captains and Saruman are good to have for variety. |
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| Author: | Men are weak [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Isengard army help |
Scouts are solid. It's not that there's really anything bad about them, but Isengard just has so many other better options, that you don't see a lot of scouts in competitive lists. Armored Uruk-Hai offer better defense, Berserkers and Feral Uruk-Hai offer 2 attacks, and Crossbowmen offer generally superior shooting (greater range and str). But scouts are reasonably costed, and are Fight 4, Str 4, so they're decent. If you are going to play Scouts, You want Mauhur in the list, if possible, to allow the upgrade which gives scouts 8" move. |
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| Author: | ja33 [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Isengard army help |
Here's a quick buyer's guide, IMO: Saruman - must have....costly points, but a game changer...Immobilize and Compel can nueter any big hero, and Sorceror's Blast can destroy cavalry and wreak havoc on enemy battle lines Vrasku - must have....shoots his str4 xbow twice per turn, str5, 3 might Mauhur - very good....moves 8', 3 attacks, his upgrade rule for scouts is great Lurtz - solid...3 might, str5, can take a bow Ugluk - decent....3 might, str5, has a special rule also Uruk Capts. - very good....str5, def can get 7 with armor and shield, very survivable Uruk Shaman - very good...channeled fury can swing the game massively Thrydan - solid ....good killing power, can be mounted also Dunlending Chief - solid...good killing power, but other options are generally better Grima- sneaky good....can be a non factor, but can also help you win games with his special rule, especially against big guns (Boromir, Aragorn, etc.) Orc Captain - useful, but Uruk Capts are better option Uruk Scouts - decent...can move 8" with Mauhur's special rule...can get def 5 w/shields...pass on the str2 bows Uruks w/Pikes - solid....good support option for your battle lines Uruks w/shield - solid....D6 with shields, str4, good cheap bulk troops Uruks w/xbows - excellent....str4 shooting with 24" range...fight 4 and str4 in melee also Bezerkers - excellent...2 attacks, str4, def6, and courage 7 ! Feral Uruks - very good....2 attacks, str4, cheap points Dunlendings - ok....most Uruk troop options are better Men of Dunland - pass....weaker version of Dunlednings Isengard Troll - ok....can dominate, but as with all Trolls, very susceptible to Magic....and Costs about the same as 7 Bezerkers, who can do a lot more damage (IMO) Isengard Orcs - ok...orcs w/spears behind a line of bezerkers is a nice combo, giving 3 attacks on the line |
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| Author: | ckonnnne [ Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Isengard army help |
Great awnsers I tip my hat to all of you. I've been looking around and i wonder is this a good Isengard force Warband 1: Hero: Saruman on foot Warriors: 10 uruk warriors and 2 crossbows Warband 2: Hero: Mauhur Warriors: 12 uruk scouts |
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| Author: | Teacups17 [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Isengard army help |
I think 2 crossbows on their own is not worth it as they cannot move and shoot. I prefer to either go with no shooting or make use of the 1/3 limit. Just worth considering. Also you said you want a ringwraith. If you don't care about theme, a good option could be to get a warband of orc spearmen to support your uruk hai. It would be a cheap way to get your S4 D6 uruk hai an extra attack. Plus if you use the shadow lord then you can avoid getting shot at while getting them set up and into combat. |
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| Author: | ckonnnne [ Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Isengard army help |
Teacups17 wrote: I think 2 crossbows on their own is not worth it as they cannot move and shoot. I prefer to either go with no shooting or make use of the 1/3 limit. Just worth considering. Also you said you want a ringwraith. If you don't care about theme, a good option could be to get a warband of orc spearmen to support your uruk hai. It would be a cheap way to get your S4 D6 uruk hai an extra attack. Plus if you use the shadow lord then you can avoid getting shot at while getting them set up and into combat. I agree great points so i thought maybe Saruman and 10 uruk wariors. mauhur and 12 scouts and then vrasku and between 3 and 8 crossbows it depends on what i find on ebay and maybe l'l get the orcs for spear support and I ca just proxy normal mordor orcs. and I did't find "the shadow lord" in the army list thanks |
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| Author: | Teacups17 [ Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Isengard army help |
The shadow lord is the the mordor sourcebook and as you said you are starting an Isenguard army, might be best to stick just with the Isenguard book and list. Mordor orcs are the same thing and you can use them no problem. If you don't have pikes, then the orcs give a really cheap way to support, but if you are buying a new set then you will probably end up with pikes which are good too. I would get a box of scouts and a box of warriors and just try playing them from there. Crossbows are not too difficult to get off ebay, I would aim for at least 4 in your team to make them worth it. Also grima is a steal for 20 points if you take saruman, less so at lower points but still gives them something to deal with. |
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