ncea wrote:
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No,
Haldir's rule is 5 points - his armour is another 5.
(Haldir with nothing is 70 points. Haldir with a bow, able to use his two shot ability, is 75 points - thus his ability is 5 points. Haldir with armour? another 5 points, but this has nothing to do with his two shots.)
ok then if you think about it that way then his rule isnt 5 points his bow is 5 points.Also have you actually compared the two haldirs together cause all your showing me is how much normal haldir costs and I know his armour has nothing to do with his two shots.
Haldir can't use his ability without a bow. His bow (which allows him to use his Special Ability) is 5 points – meaning his Special Ability is, effectively, 5 points.
ncea wrote:
but dude seriously look at this.
What would you rather have?
Haldir-bow,armour 80
or
Haldir,deffenders of helms deep 70
Galadrhim warrior - elf bow 10
Do you see my point now?????
Ok Lets just say this has nothing to do with how much haldir's rule costs cause i seriously don't care.How about another?
What would you rather have?
Haldir 70
or
Haldir, deffender of helms deep 70
I which would I rather have?
Between those two, I wouldn't take either.
I would take Haldir with his bow (no armor, you keep skimming over the fact that you don't have to take both) this is 75 points – you can use him to his full potential. So for the Defender profile, for 5 points less, you get an ability that will never be used and one which will be used in about 10% of your games (this is if you throw him into combat regularly in the first place, which isn't a very useful thing to do besides – specially if you're already taking someone like Rumil).
I know 5 points left isn't enough to pay for an
entire bowman – but, think of it this way: since Haldir added an extra shot, you just paid 5 points – not 10 – for your extra shot.
ncea wrote:
Normal haldir doesnt have a bow or armour so haldir,deffender of helms deep technically has 10pts more worth of equipment, thus normal haldirs rule costs 10points and his bow costs 5 points. Do you understand?
Your argument that Haldir's rule is 10 points because the Defender profile has 10 points more of equipment is an obvious logical fallacy. Apparently you can't seperate the idea of the two Haldirs without adding in armor to the equation - even if we agree that the Defender profile has more or 'this' or 'that' for "less" - it does not follow that certain aspects of other profiles costs
more.
I'm not going to even go into "theme" here because that's further and further off topic and has no bearing in any of these army lists.
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Anyway...
). Even so, it's still way too expensive of an option for mass conversions, but I just couldn't pull off a home made dagger that made me happy enough (these were done for Games Day and I really wanted them to look sharp). I did a full hand swap for most, clipped the sword down pretty far then just used a hobby knife to finish the job.
But looking out now over an army of about 140 Wood Elves, with only one pose for a Captain, three Sentinels, and just a few poses for each Warrior type it would really be nice to have more options without having to spend excessive time or money to do so. 
) and I said what I wanted to say – I think we should leave it at that to keep this thread from digressing even more.