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Telchar · **Posted:** Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:07 am

But a dragon with spellcasting can do both at the same time (though his magic is less effective, the combat is far more effective, and he will last longer to boot) for 25 points less

ElfGeneral · **Joined:** Fri May 11, 2012 6:04 pm **Posts:** 336

I know the same goes for the Balrog even more so with its F10 and S10. Sauron is good but is like Glorfindel (who is 250 points) he has his uses that include both magic and combat but you have to pay to much for the privilege of having a character that can do both but who ends up being not good enough at either of them to be worth the points

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:26 pm

Draugluin wrote:

ElfGeneral wrote:

Yeah i din't know why they made him so easy to kill, he is the dark lord in my view he should have EHTK, R3, Epic Leadership (every formation can re-roll courage tests), a higher fight value (there are elf captains that have higher), a bit more might, Overlord (if anyone is going to be an overlord it's him) and just for flavour some sort of one ring based special rule.

He should also cost more because of it he is the dark lord and should only be brought out in huge games but be able to change the battle drastically when he is played

The reason his F is so low is because he has Epic Strike and a free pt of might to call it with, even though that means that you can't really use his other Epic actions. I guess they wanted people to have to choose whether they wanted him to pwn at combat or magic.

Sauron has two free might pts per turn so long as at least one is an Epic Action.

Draugluin · **Posted:** Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:04 pm

I know, I just didn't feel like bringing that up.

D0Cdeath · **Posted:** Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:38 pm

why does saruman have two free might points?

Draugluin · **Posted:** Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:03 pm

Saruman doesn't, SAURON does.

D0Cdeath · **Posted:** Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:27 pm

haha

Stormcrow · **Joined:** Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:02 am **Posts:** 218

If i were you i would be less concerned about Treebeard and more concerned about your choice of Isildur and Faramir?!?
Such a bad combo considering Isildur died in year 2 of the third age and Faramir wasn't born until the year 2983 ofthe third age.
Were you planning on Faramir carrying Isildur's remains into battle with him?
Good luck with that as his remains were left undiscovered in the marshes of the Gladden Fields. (Although it has been speculated that Sauruman in his search for the one ring, may have discovered his remains and had them burned in one of his furnaces.Whether this is true or not is unknown, personally i wouldn't put it past him).

Draugluin · **Posted:** Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:12 pm

They chose the combination of Isildur and Faramir because they are both pretty good, I don't think theme has anything to do with it.

Actually Isildur died in the Anduin River. There isn't any way that his remains could be found 3000 years after his death. They would have A: rotted, B: floated to the Sea, C: rolled along to the sea after sinking to the bottom because of the weight of his armor, or D: all of the above, D being the most likely.

Stormcrow · **Joined:** Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:02 am **Posts:** 218

Not quite true.
Isildur removed his armour before entering the waters so i agree no armour would have been found. However he did wade into the river intent on crossing it but the current was too strong and dragged him to the marshes of the Gladden Feilds. It was at that point the ring slipped his finger. Isildur, feeling the loss of the ring, rose from the waters only to be spotted by orcs who shot him through the throat and heart with arrows. So Isildurs body fell in the marshes, which archeology shows can be useful in the preservation of materials.
As regards his remains it is only speculation that Saruman found them.

Personaly (and im pretty sure GW would agree) i dont see the point in playing a game where you go way off theme. Im all up for "what if" senarios, such as what if Saruman fought at helms deep etc. But placing characters together that lived thousands of years apart just seems wrong.

Telchar · **Posted:** Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:56 am

I think they'd use the Isildur profile to represent a War of the Ring Gondorian hero (one of the Fiefdoms commanders, for instance).

And what I concluded from Unfinished Tales is that Saruman found Isildur's body in the Gladden Fields, and burnt it in his furnaces.

GothmogtheWerewolf · **Posted:** Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:07 pm

Telchar wrote:

I think they'd use the Isildur profile to represent a War of the Ring Gondorian hero (one of the Fiefdoms commanders, for instance).

Or the new Knight of the White Tower.

Draugluin · **Posted:** Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:32 am

Telchar wrote:

I think they'd use the Isildur profile to represent a War of the Ring Gondorian hero (one of the Fiefdoms commanders, for instance).

And what I concluded from Unfinished Tales is that Saruman found Isildur's body in the Gladden Fields, and burnt it in his furnaces.

Oh, that was in Unfinished Tales? I've never been able to find that, so I haven't read it. I'm positive that in LotR, it happened the exact way that it was represented in the extended edition.

D0Cdeath · **Posted:** Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:27 pm

I agree with stomcrow it is always more interesting to play themed armies if possible , it allows opportunity to play character you usually wouldn't , but how would you feel if your opponent constantly ( every game !) played the same heros - gothmog khamul betrayer coupled with morannons and crossbows ? In the end you just think what's the point and play anything that'll give you a chance !!

Telchar · **Posted:** Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:48 pm

Draugluin wrote:

Telchar wrote:

I think they'd use the Isildur profile to represent a War of the Ring Gondorian hero (one of the Fiefdoms commanders, for instance).

And what I concluded from Unfinished Tales is that Saruman found Isildur's body in the Gladden Fields, and burnt it in his furnaces.

Oh, that was in Unfinished Tales? I've never been able to find that, so I haven't read it. I'm positive that in LotR, it happened the exact way that it was represented in the extended edition.

Well, no, there was much more of a battle, and Isildur's sons and squires have been left out (I'm 99% sure those were in LOTR as well, but not 100%).

Draugluin · **Posted:** Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:47 am

True, but my point wasn't that the battle itself was the same, just that the way in which Isildur died was.

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