Help with modelling Grond

Dead Marsh Spectre · **Posted:** Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:31 pm

IsleStaggerholm wrote:

Dead Marsh Spectre wrote:

Don't anyone be bidding on grond... he's all mine :no:

Seriously though this is a constant auction he has going, so don't bid too much on it, because you can get it for his minimum bid, so that should go for everyone.

Understood, Cheers

Oldman Willow · **Posted:** Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:33 pm

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I thought you had made the mold yourself

I made a mold so that I would have three. There is a third model.

The center model was made from an impression of the first troll.

Dead Marsh Spectre · **Posted:** Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:41 pm

Ah right I see - out of interest where did you find the other two originals then?

Oldman Willow · **Posted:** Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:46 pm

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two originals

I think on the above link last summer "may be"

Crucium Giger · **Posted:** Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:22 pm

[quote="Oldman Willow

The center model was made from an impression of the first troll.[/quote]

Very nice

lorderkenbrand · **Posted:** Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:30 pm

Oldman Willow cheers for the photos! Is the one you have from Greece or UKFB? Looks about 4 inches long, I'm so confused lol

DMS - Grond is all yours mate, wooden dowel works fine for me

Dead Marsh Spectre · **Posted:** Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:35 pm

lorderkenbrand wrote:

Oldman Willow cheers for the photos! Is the one you have from Greece or UKFB? Looks about 4 inches long, I'm so confused lol

DMS - Grond is all yours mate, wooden dowel works fine for me

I can't wait to build Grond!!!! how many great beasts will i need for it ?

Legolas31 · **Posted:** Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:22 pm

ooooh that watcher in the water head is pretty tempting, could easily scultp tenticles out of clay or something and then not pay £44 for the gw version!

Dead Marsh Spectre · **Posted:** Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:23 pm

Legolas31 wrote:

ooooh that watcher in the water head is pretty tempting, could easily scultp tenticles out of clay or something and then not pay £44 for the gw version!

Speak to Ukfreddybear if you want a watcher head - the one he does is probably cheaper - see my WIP for pics

Legolas31 · **Posted:** Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:48 pm

Dead Marsh Spectre wrote:

Legolas31 wrote:

ooooh that watcher in the water head is pretty tempting, could easily scultp tenticles out of clay or something and then not pay £44 for the gw version!

Speak to Ukfreddybear if you want a watcher head - the one he does is probably cheaper - see my WIP for pics

wow nice job on the water effects, that is a pretty great sculpt too, what is it made out of?
it doesn't look that hard to make, but it clearly will be probably

Dead Marsh Spectre · **Posted:** Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:51 pm

Legolas31 wrote:

Dead Marsh Spectre wrote:

Legolas31 wrote:

ooooh that watcher in the water head is pretty tempting, could easily scultp tenticles out of clay or something and then not pay £44 for the gw version!

Speak to Ukfreddybear if you want a watcher head - the one he does is probably cheaper - see my WIP for pics

wow nice job on the water effects, that is a pretty great sculpt too, what is it made out of?
it doesn't look that hard to make, but it clearly will be probably

Its made from plaster of paris , and yeh for the sculpters on here probably easy to make. I couldn't do it but then I'm just a painter.

Oldman Willow · **Posted:** Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:07 am

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Is the one you have from Greece or UKFB?

Greece. I think it is smaller than UKFB version.

perry_pug · **Posted:** Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:21 am

I've also been desperate to build Grond so I'll have to pick up one of these moulds too.. I'm going to settle with just the 2 Great Beasts though :twisted:

Crucium Giger · **Posted:** Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:51 am

I was thinking two great beasts though I was half hoping to find a cheaper alternative than GW, a platic rhino model that could be easily adapted perhaps.

Ukfreddybear · **Posted:** Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:42 pm

lorderkenbrand wrote:

Is the Watcher you have from Greece or UKFB? Looks about 4 inches long, I'm so confused

Mine was made long ago around about 2005, using the guide from White Dwarf issue 282. It was just under six inches in length, with tentacles individually based to the right scale. When the GW tentacles came out, I noticed that they were a lot smaller, and as a result other sculptors created Watcher heads more suited in size to them (around 4inches). The mold I created of my head (not literally) is now becoming quite warped and brittle so I don't even know if I could cast any more plaster ones now anyhow. The very last cast I gave to DMS which had been sat on my shelf for about two years. No point doing another now GW have finally brought one out.

Dead Marsh Spectre · **Posted:** Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:47 pm

ukfreddybear wrote:

lorderkenbrand wrote:

Is the Watcher you have from Greece or UKFB? Looks about 4 inches long, I'm so confused

Mine was made long ago around about 2005, using the guide from White Dwarf issue 282. It was just under six inches in length, with tentacles individually based to the right scale. When the GW tentacles came out, I noticed that they were a lot smaller, and as a result other sculptors created Watcher heads more suited in size to them (around 4inches). The mold I created of my head (not literally) is now becoming quite warped and brittle so I don't even know if I could cast any more plaster ones now anyhow. The very last cast I gave to DMS which had been sat on my shelf for about two years. No point doing another now GW have finally brought one out.

lol you made a cast of your head and it looked like the watcher ? :lol:

Ukfreddybear · **Posted:** Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:58 pm

See I knew somone would pick up on that which is why I included the brackets!

typhoon2 · **Posted:** Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:21 pm

Bear in mind that the 'great beasts' drew Grond from Mordor, across the Anduin and then over the Pelennor Fields. Tolkien writes that some of these beasts stampeded when shot from the walls, but doesn't specifically state that they were pulling Grond at the time. What he is clear about are the trolls wielding the machine, so you might consider using Mordor Trolls - especially the Loaders - to be pushing Grond forward the final few yards. This removes the need for any beasts at all, if Grond is about to unleash its magical fury against the gate of Minas Tirith. Of course it would make for an interesting scenario if Grond was attacked while moving up with the rest of the siege train...

As an alternative for the framework, you may consider the beading available in many DIY/hardware shops that are often hardwoods but cut quite fine and in different widths, styles, etc.

lorderkenbrand · **Posted:** Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:08 pm

Oldman Willow wrote:

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Is the one you have from Greece or UKFB?

Greece. I think it is smaller than UKFB version.

ukfreddybear wrote:

lorderkenbrand wrote:

Is the Watcher you have from Greece or UKFB? Looks about 4 inches long, I'm so confused

Mine was made long ago around about 2005, using the guide from White Dwarf issue 282. It was just under six inches in length, with tentacles individually based to the right scale. When the GW tentacles came out, I noticed that they were a lot smaller, and as a result other sculptors created Watcher heads more suited in size to them (around 4inches). The mold I created of my head (not literally) is now becoming quite warped and brittle so I don't even know if I could cast any more plaster ones now anyhow. The very last cast I gave to DMS which had been sat on my shelf for about two years. No point doing another now GW have finally brought one out.

Cheers guys, good to know. So 4-6 inches in length is the range, okay I will keep an eye out for WD282 on Ebay, but in the meantime Dave if you have any mugshots please send them over so I can get started with the sculpting lol

Ukfreddybear · **Posted:** Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:15 pm

If you PM me your email again I will send you the Watcher sculpting article I did for TLA many moons ago. The WD article is also reprinted in the Best of White Dwarf with the Balrog on the front cover.

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