I am just starting out with LotR SBG and I'm not clear on one issue. In the fight phase, lets say you have 2 warriors (W), each base to base with a different enemy (E), but base to base with the same friendly spear (S) figure.

Something like this:
E-W-S-W-E

Who decides which fight the spear figure assists, the controlling player of the spear figure, or the player with priority?

The player with priority. He may decide who fight in wich combat.

I`m not so sure about that as the rules for spear says that they are not a part of the combat for any purpose.

The contoller of the spearman as he's not counted as being part of the fight.

Wait, what?

The one with priority decides which spearmen fights in which fight?

So if two soldiers are surrounded by... 6 goblins with shields, and 12 with spear (not sure they fit, it's just for an example), the priority player decides how many spearmen (in base contact with the swordmen of course) that is on each, and not the controller of the goblins? o.O

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No.


Read all the answers.

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Oh, right there... Slept bad tonight, keep missing stuff. =o

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Question from me.. As the spearman is not in the combat.. he can't be killed right?
I always used that rule, but a new player keeps telling me that they can be killed.

No, he can't.

If he isn't considered part of the combat, then he is safe.

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Then.. I was right!
The rules tend to change with some guys in my club.
And they won't listen even though they are wrong.

Does that mean that good players can shoot spearmen in the back if they're supporting in a combat facing the other way.

We had that question yesterday when I tried my Galadrim Knights in action. (And wohoo, Finally realized why it didn't go any good! =P )

My melee knights rode into combat, and my oponent's goblins ran around them to trap them, whilst my archers sat a bit away, past the enemy "main line".

Also, Easterlings have spears - But they've got the Phalanx rule, so they use them as 1h-pikes. The rule says something about hard training to fight in phalanxes, but can they support other evil creatures as pikemen or just spearmen?

I mean, trained to fight in a phalanx, works fine, but then trying to assist two goblins, isn't quite the same thing.... I think. *shrugs*

That brings me to another question about spearmen. Do they give the first line, those in close combat, one extra attack when striking/resolving combat, or do they fight with their own profile over the thingy in the front. And, if you run into a Phalanx and fight an oponent with a 1h-weapon, do you need to beat the spearmen/pikemen's fighting too..?

*sighs* I wish I had my book here, gonna have to find it soon!

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Supporting models do not count as being in combat and do not fight - that should answer all your questions.

Well.. Not quite, really. =P But one of them!

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They only give the "supported" +1 attack. Nothing else

Yeah, but err... Okay, I'll make an example..

A Goblin fights an elf. The goblin have 2 fighting, the elf has 5.

The goblin is supported by an orc with a spear, the orc's fighting is 3.

Behind the orc stands an Uruk-Hai with a pike, supporting them, he've got fighting 4.

Do I then roll 3 diffrent dices with the diffrent fight values, and then with the diffrent strength values, or is it the goblin that gets A3 for the fight?

And then to the defending question, if an elf attacks a goblin, who's supported by another goblin with a spear, does the goblin gets 2 dices to defend himself with, or just 1? (i.e. can the spearman try to parry for his buddy infront of him)

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nr1. three attacks with a fight of 2.

nr2. Two attacks, nothing else

Great, thank you. =)

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So since the spear/pike models are not "in combat", the controlling player (and not player with priority) would decide how they are split up? I went back and forth with this, as it was hard to determine. I think now though the fact that the spearman is not in the combat and the player with priority splits up models in combat during the move phase would tend imply that they don't assign the spear models. Thanks for the responses!